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The attitude of the heart is most important, yet there is a danger of misusing this truth. Our heart attitudes should always be reflected in our actions. And I think, based on the many examples of people bowing to God all throughout the Bible, that a heart attitude of submission to God should...

Yes, it is the heart attitude of submission to God which is most important. Some of our most godly saints are not even physically able to kneel and bow. Yet, for those who are able, the heart attitude should result in a glad willingness and even desire to kneel and bow. And I agree...

Paul wrote: ESV Ephesians 3:14 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, Is physically bowing our knees part of Paul's example that we should be following? I think it is for those who are physically able to do so. Those who have knees or backs which are physically difficult to bow...

Of course vain repetition is not meaningful worship. Vain repetition is a real danger to be avoided. This is made clear by this warning from Jesus: NIV Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. But not...

You bring up some great points. I too, feel that kneeling in private prayer is often helpful. Also, the heart attitude is certainly more important than the body position. Still, I suspect that some of the discomfort/hesitation of kneeling in public worship comes from the fact that we don't do...

Do we bow down enough in church services? The meaning of the Greek word most commonly translated "worship" (proskuneo) is : worship or veneration of a divine or supposedly divine object, expressed concretely with falling face down in front of someone (Friberg Lexicon) This meaning is very...

I think we've made progress. I now understand much more clearly that proskuneo does indeed mean to bow down to someone or something. I think you are correct about that. And so if a Greek speaking person in the early church who saw something similar (minus the modern technology) to what is seen...

I feel like our discussion is a positive example that it is actually possible to make progress in understanding in these forum discussions. At least I hope and pray that it actually true, and not merely my optimistic feelings. I want to narrow down to your last statement: In the first...

John, I feel like you have likely misinterpreted the authors intention when he wrote "Jerk the pews and all the decorations, too, Until the congregations few, then have revival". The song uses a lot of poetic and metaphorical language, including hyperbole. For example, I seriously doubt the...

I'm pretty sure we both agree with this: All singing is not worship and all worship is not singing. I haven't said otherwise. Thanks for your encouragement. Although I don't feel I can commit the time for a truly intensive study of worship throughout the Bible, I did look through all the...

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus explains that some of the commandments have much broader and deeper application than most people realize. So, with respect to adultery, Jesus shows us that it is not only actually having a physical act of sex with someone other than our spouse that we should be...

That is indeed a beautiful and powerful worship song. Thank you for sharing it!

Thank you for sharing the article on worship and what a worship leader should be. I noticed that the song I shared in the OP reflects some of this same thinking with the lines: 'cause you can sing all you want to Yes, you can sing all you want to You can sing all you want to And still get it...

I'm confused. The first sentence above is referring to the song Agnus Dei performed by Michael Smith, which I posted above. I would think that the second sentence, lacking any indication of a change in reference, is referring to the same song. You say it "had no mention of Jesus". But that's...

Did you miss the part where all the musicians have stopped playing and those in attendance are all continuing to sing the song? Even if this part did not make it so clear that the audience was not merely passively watching (which I agree would not be worship), why would you assume that they...

Fair enough. He can bring up the fog machine. But it wasn't clear to me what he wanted to debate. If he wants to debate the use of fog machines in worship, he's free to do so. I don't have much of an opinion on that one.

Are you referring to the video with Michael W. Smith?

I also thank you for your time! And thank you for offering to let me have the "last word" (though others may still post, I intend to sign off after this). Here it is: We disagree on some points of theology. But we have so much that we agree on. God created everything. Tragically, people have...

And yet Jesus said, ESV Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen." The word for "called" in Matthew 22:14 is the SAME word used for "called" in Romans 8:28. According to our Lord, based on Matthew 22:14, the invitation can be declined.

You are correct to say that God is not obligated to us in any way. But He is fair and equitable. That is part of what the Bible means when it says: ESV Revelation 19:2a for his judgments are true and just; Doesn't it make you uneasy that in defending Reformed theology your argument implies...