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    The sheep and the goats?

    Are "the sheep" of the pasture, of the land, of the flock? You bet. Are"the sheep of the flock scattered when the Shepherd is struck down? You bet. Are "the sheep" like sheep without a shepherd? Nope The sheep separated and put on our Lord's right are born anew, they belong the Him. The...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    A sound approach to understanding how the Greek "noun dative" is used is to see how it is used in the NASB, which is one of the best translation of the Greek grammar. Both "sanctification" and "faith" are in the dative, indicating they are indirect objects of the verb chosen, describing an...
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    Feedback?

    Hi Ben1445 1) Just because you believe folks are unable to be led to Christ by God's word, I am not "flattering myself" to believe what God's word says. 2) Apparently you believe all the lost are soil #1, and believe soils 2, 3 could not understand and accept the gospel. Sounds like...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    “And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [Matthew 25:32 NASB] Some mistakenly try to define the Greek word translated "nations" above as peoples within national borders, but that view...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Idiotic absurdity, a total rewrite of the text. But will any poster other than myself stand up for God's word? Wait and see... To be chosen through or on the basis of faith requires that the person comes to faith before being chosen. Thus those who do not accept the love of truth remain...
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    Feedback?

    Once again we have a posted verse, but no reason given for the post. I will assume, receiving no feedback, that the idea is people cannot understand God's word, and therefore cannot provide feedback. If this is the unstated contention of the post, it is absolutely false. Some people...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    Are "the sheep" of the pasture, of the land, of the flock? You bet. Are"the sheep of the flock scattered when the Shepherd is struck down? You bet. Are "the sheep" like sheep without a shepherd? Nope The sheep separated and put on our Lord's right are born anew, they belong the Him. The...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Idiotic absurdity, a total rewrite of the text. But will any poster other than myself stand up for God's word? Wait and see... To be chosen through or on the basis of faith requires that the person comes to faith before being chosen. Thus those who do not accept the love of truth remain...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Idiotic absurdity, a total rewrite of the text. But will any poster other than myself stand up for God's word? Wait and see... To be chosen through or on the basis of faith requires that the person comes to faith before being chosen. Thus those who do not accept the love of truth remain...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    “And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [Matthew 25:32 NASB] Some mistakenly try to define the Greek word translated "nations" above as peoples within national borders, but that view...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    In Matthew 25: 31-46 Jesus teaches about the end of the age of grace. He will begin is Millennial reign, sitting on His thrown. Some have read this passage and conclude, mistakenly in my opinion, that Christ's division will be based on works. But I believe "giving to Christ what He needed"...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    2Th 2:10 CSB and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. Those chosen for salvation were chosen through or on the basis of their love of the truth, whereas those not...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Idiotic absurdity, a total rewrite of the text. But will any poster other than myself stand up for God's word? Wait and see...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    No, I do not think I was "enlightened" by your post. First you stated you did not fail to address the Olivet Discourse. I did not say you did. I said you failed to address my explanation. Since you have no interest in actually discussing why the sheep are born anew believers, siblings of...
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    Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    2 Thessalonians 2:13 is a compound sentence, with subjects, verbs, direct and indirect objects. We should always give thanks to God for you as beloved by the Lord. Subject, =We; Verb = should give thanks, direct object = God; indirect object for you the beloved. We should give thanks to God...
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    The sheep and the goats?

    Complete fiction! The sheep are believers, the goats are non-believers. Let me go over it one more time. When do the Calvinists say we become "Elect?" Before creation. If we were sheep, we would be siblings of Christ, born anew children of God. We would not be children of wrath. But what...
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    Do We Need to Defend the Bible?

    Here is the quote from the OP that I am disagreeing with, "There is nothing the Word of God that commands us to defend it. It is God's Word. He can defend His own Word." We are to defend God's word. What you disparage as a "hijack" I call a defense of God's Word.
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    The sheep and the goats?

    I already addressed this, and you ignored my explanation. See post #5. The sheep are believers, the goats are non-believers. And the deterministic is made after we physically die, as the opportunity to become a believer has ended. And again, there is no such thing as sheep nations and goat...
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    Feedback?

    One of the puzzling aspects of theological discussion is the perseverance of apparently false doctrines. Why are they not identified and corrected? In the material world, if you see a problem, say a bridge recently built collapses, the feedback from experience teaches those, to those proposing...
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    Rightly dividing 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    This is all they have, change of subject posts, attempting to turn the thread from biblical study to petty personal food-fights.
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