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This is all they have, change of subject posts, attempting to turn the thread from biblical study to petty personal food-fights.

I did not see anything in your post that addressed the sheep are separated as born anew individuals, siblings of Christ. It looks like you are not going to address our actual issue. My view does not change the meaning of words, or spiritualize them.

Sir, your view is from the beginning "of the Creation." which adds and is in violation. If you say, they are "understood," then so are mine. Your defense of falsehood is obvious and absurd. You did not either grasp or respond to the fact no one was chosen by being set apart in Christ before...

That is the CALVINIST REWRITE, changing salvation a Greek noun, into saved, a Greek verb!!!!!!!! They charge others with their malfeasance.

Show me one promise made to Israel that was not made to the church of the Firstborn!

My problem with comprehension, is that I believe we have the Septuagint text and the Masoretic text, so we should be able to compare and like the two verses listed in the Post #2, list all the verses that account for the 1300 some odd year difference.

My view, which you apparently disagree with, is that traditional dispensationalism is racist hog wash. No one can read Galatians 3 and believe we are not all children of God and heirs to the same promise. Their is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ!

Chosen through faith in the truth. That is what it says in black and white, with no reading between the lines or alteration.

I love the NASB, but it too has flaws, where other versions do a better job with some verses. It is very difficult to see the world through the eyes of another. People thought to be dumb, do not see the same things as people thought to be smart. And people thought to be smart do not see the...

This post does not even address what I said. I believe the view of Galatians 3 which denies the separation of believers into two groups, we are all Israel. My view is called Progressive Dispensationalism, and you can study it on line. I explained that Joel 3:2 supports my view and precludes...

SNIP I am sure you were trying to make a point, but just what it was is a mystery to me. G5119 appears 5 times in our passage, Matthew 25:31-46. It always is referring to action taken at that time, when the goats and the sheep will be separated at Christ's second coming. I did not say nor...

The origin of Christmas is the birth of Christ. Something to celebrate in my book...

Right back at you - Marry Christmas. The OT verse Joel 3:2 reads as follows: Then I will gather all the nations, and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. I will enter into judgment against them there concerning my people Israel who are my inheritance, whom they scattered among the...

Thanks, the Greek pronoun translated "anyone" refers to one or some of a group, thus grammatically not the whole nation.

The verse says we were chosen individually through faith in the truth. Here the Calvinist uses absurdity to defend insanity.

According to my understanding of the Opening Post, the originals were 1300 or so years longer, and thus the longer timeline was reflected in the Hebrew copies used in the LXX. But after the advent of Christ, Rabbis altered the Hebrew texts which then became our MT. I may have got it wrong, but...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but 2 Thessalonians 2:13 blows Calvinism out of the water. First, rather than Unconditional Election, scripture teaches we were chosen through faith in the truth, thus a conditional election. Next, to be individually chosen through faith in the truth means we...

The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.” [Galatians 3:8] Here we see "Nations" used to refer to both Jews and Gentiles, and that justification comes through individual...

No "nation" can be a born anew sibling of Christ.

Can anyone list a few verses and explain why they fit better with Messianic prophecy with the longer timeline?