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  1. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I understand the views that I formerly held, and have disregarded them. Still, when it comes down to it, how one views the "end times" is not a "salvation" issue. Whether one believes in the Rapture, a future Great Tribulation, etc., or not shouldn't make any change in their daily walk with...
  2. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I can identify. (Present company is an exception, of course.) Sometimes you just have no idea where they are coming from. Maybe I have a slight advantage over the "futurists" in that I held that view myself for over 30 years.
  3. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    You realize, of course, that we preterists take the same view of those in the "futurist" camp. You accuse us of reading things into the plain meaning of Scripture. Yet, you have to make things up and twist the plain meanings of the texts in order to fit it to your view. Futurists tend to...
  4. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    This "sun, moon, and stars" language is symbolic. We find similar phrases throughout the OT. Notice in verse 30 that "the tribes of the earth will mourn". The tribes refers to Israel, and the earth to the land of Israel (specifically around Jerusalem). Daniel 7:13, which Jesus references...
  5. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    The Scriptures are the basis for my views. If DeMar and company deviate from the Scriptures, I'll drop them like a bad habit. Until then, they do a pretty good job of exposition. To make all of that fit, I would have to incorporate the false teachings of the futurist view. I will not let the...
  6. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    Of course Jesus didn't mince or waste His words. He spoke very clearly (except parables, but that's another subject). That's why it simply doesn't follow that the Transfiguration was not what He was talking about there. I never said there was no such thing as grace. That would be blasphemy...
  7. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I will be the first to admit that I don't understand all of the prophecies that we have been discussing. However, I will not let the parts that I do not know cause me to believe in an eschatological position that does not fit unless you force it. BTW, I still plan to provide the way I believe...
  8. Lodic

    Your Hero Nero

    The end of the world is not in view at all. As I've explained again and again, this is specifically about the end of the Old Covenant system. The futurist view you hold on to is not based on an accurate understanding of prophecy. We will just go back and forth on this with both of us...
  9. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    You can't put "another nail in the preterist coffin" unless you find a "first" nail - which you have not done (and never will). The Beast and False Prophet being cast into the Lake of Fire is probably yet to be fulfilled. Having said that, the language also fits what literally happened in AD...
  10. Lodic

    Your Hero Nero

    No sir, the Greek word "oikumene" is used when it describes these events. Oikumene means the inhabited earth; in context, it refers to the Roman Empire. This is the same word used in Luke when Augustus called for a census. It is not the same as "kosmos", which does mean the literal earth...
  11. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    The only thing that would really make sense is if He is referring to a time far enough off - say, about 40 years - where many of His audience would probably have died. That brings us back to the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. No such thing as an "Age of Grace". Of course. However...
  12. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I started this response with the intention of explaining my view of the "70 Weeks" timeline. However, the best laid plans of mice and men... Some things have come up, and I won't be able to address this for a few hours. My apologies.
  13. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    The 70th week is way before AD 70. The Crucifixion and Resurrection are in the 70th week, and the destruction of Jerusalem nearly 40 years later. There is also a view which states that the stoning of Stephen and conversion of St. Paul marked the 70th week, but I lean toward the "Crucifixion"...
  14. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    "After" - the next thing that will happen. A gap would be very clear - "after an undetermined period of time". Also, a 2,000 year "gap" at the end of a previous period of 483 years? I don't buy that. I guess I've made "conjecture" the word of the day :). That which was "unequaled" would be...
  15. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I must respectfully disagree. If there were going to be a gap, it would be very explicit in Scripture. I believe the "gap" is implied conjecture at best. The 70 weeks began with the Cyrus's decree to rebuild Jerusalem (458 BC), and ends with the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. (Daniel...
  16. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    I'm not quite sure how the Full Preterists view it, but I think His "coming" was more along the line of His presence and power were behind the judgment. Backing up to verse 13, we see that He came UP to the Ancient of Days, not DOWN to earth. While He is given dominion, glory, and a kingdom...
  17. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    So, just as we really don't know what Simeon thought of his waiting, we don't really know what the 1st Century Christians thought of their waiting. They did know to expect the events within their lifetime, though. The point isn't really about how they viewed their waiting, but when the events...
  18. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    Westerners such as ourselves may have a different understanding of "near" than those in the ancient middle east. Also, I was just thinking about how Simeon had been promised to see the Messiah (Luke 2), and he was patient. I still say that, in this context, 14 years was a "short time" to wait...
  19. Lodic

    Your Hero Nero

    Our views are so different on this topic, I hardly know where to begin. The events prophesied in the OD and in most of Revelation were not about the end of the world, but about the end of the Old Covenant system. These were not world-wide catastrophes, but were limited to Jerusalem and the...
  20. Lodic

    Are anti-preterists all Dispensationalists?

    The point there is nobody would expect to NOT be alive if the event was only a few days away. On the other hand, if this was an event nearly 40 years in the future, this statement would make perfect sense. The eschatological events are directly related to the end of the Old Covenant - not to...
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