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    Are there any inspired translations today?

    "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16 NIV) The term God-breathed is more descriptive and accurate than 'inspired.' And in this verse it doesn't refer to Bible translations. All faithful translations are...
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    A Timeline of the KJVO Movement

    A form of the words William Safire put in the mouth of Spiro T. Agnew.
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    Translators Down Through the Ages

    In the six page introduction of the 2012 edition of the NLT there is no mention of 'reader's response.' And of course, the NLT is considered a mainly functionally equivalent translation.
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    KJV to “UNV” and back

    You gave NLTs to your sons.
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    Translators Down Through the Ages

    Not 'free' but more in the functionally equivalent mode. Why don't you read Ernst Wendland's paper on the subject that John cited? If you did your own homework a lot more often you would not ask so many needless questions. J.N. Darby had issues with Luther's translation. "Luther's is the most...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    The above was from post #76.
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    Translators Down Through the Ages

    Ah, Ernst Wendland. I must have quoted him a score of times on the BB. Luther revised his translation eleven times during his life. "With significant revisions in 1581, 1695, 1883, 1912, and 1956-1984, it remains the standard Bible of German Protestant churches." Erroll E Rhodes, taken from...
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    Going Through The Bible

    If I counted correctly, there are 1,189 chapters in the Bible. It breaks down to 929 chapters in the Old Testament and 260 in the New Testament. To get through the entire canon in 365 days one would have to read an average of slightly more than 4 chapters per day. For me that's too fast of a...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    It's about as accurate as The Message. Both are on opposite poles, but both are not accurate, and they can't be considered translations. Do you think the following is acceptable from 2 Samuel 19:38? "With me doth Chimham go over, and I do to him that which is good in thine eyes, yea, all that...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    I think he's quite the Greek scholar.
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    Going Through The Bible

    Since December 25th of 2019 I have been disciplining myself to do systematic reading of the Bible. I started with one schedule doing portions of Psalms, Proverbs and a New Testament book. That got to be too tedious. So I began reading all of the book of Psalms (or Palms, as Joe Biden has said)...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    Some extracts from Bill Mounce follow. "...a word-for-word translation isn't always translation since it can be meaningless." "I have been sensitive lately to finding passages in which word-for-word translation is not clear, but is ambiguous and perhaps even misleading. I am finding lots of...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    Very literal does not necessarily = very accurate.
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    Improvement of the NIV

    I am quite right. There are no exact equivalents from one language to another. They are approximations; they are not ipsissima verba --the very words. If they were the very words then they would remain in the original languages. But since that is absurd they have to be restated in another...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    Van is intentionally hiding from me --avoiding giving an answer to a clear and direct question. Van says that Acts 13:48 should read "When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and as many as accepted direction to eternal life believed. The first part of the...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    I made a mistake regarding my post #76. I forgot to include Luke 24:12. In that verse all eleven versions did not use the word 'alone.' So the new tally is : Van : still at 15 Non-Van is now 62 Out of the six references the LEB and WEB used the words 'alone' just three times. Van's strongest...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    Ground Rules : Hereafter I will cite only eleven translations. They are only 20th and 21 century versions. When it comes to Old Testament passages the Mounce translation will drop out because it only focuses on the N.T. Van seems to be fixated on the word alone. So I will demonstrate the usages...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    I checked on Bible Gateway (again Bible Gateway) regarding 2 Peter 2:4. There are more than 30 translations aside from the NIV that use the word hell in that verse. Some of the more prominent versions are : CSB, CEV, EHV, ESV, ISV, KJV, MOUNCE, NASB, NET, NKJV, NLT AND NRSV. Looking at bible...
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    Improvement of the NIV

    I said as early as post #17 that I was using Bible Gateway. So don't play the ignoramus with me. The subject is Titus 2:4. I did indeed find only nine versions on Bible Gateway that had the phrase "love of mankind." They were :AMP, DLNT, ISV, HCSB, LEB, NASB, NET AND TLV. That's nine (9) bud...
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