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    Was God Wrathful before the Fall?

    Satan sinned before fall of man and was expelled from Heaven to here, He and soothe were already experiencing some wrath, but more is to come
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    Was God Wrathful before the Fall?

    Good is not moral, Good is according to God's purpose . This is a physical creation not spiritual. Satan was here already
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    Not Scripturally supported?

    Hab. 1:13 is pretty strong "look upon" can mean "show regard" Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, andholdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?
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    How was Christ Forsaken?

    22:24 is not about Jesus, look at v. 23
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    How was Christ Forsaken?

    He has, as a sinner, God relationship does not exist as God a Father but as God the judge.We can only restore a relationship through Jesus salvation. In His love He has provided a the way of salvation, if not condemnation will be complete in the lake of fire
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    Are you copying and pasting ? try internal quoting. our words and position run together.
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    Modern Literal Version

    Young provided a Literal Transition in the 1800's which is not as fluid as this Modern effort. The few verses I compared were appropriate,
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    Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?

    He never called Himself to be son of God , but always son of man. He is God. co equal with the Father an Holy Spirit. He never left Heaven while on the earth as a man. 100% God, 100%man.
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    If a sinner can choose to be accept Christ there is free choice. If a sinner cannot freely choose, there is not free choice and , God chooses who can be saved, or not, The choice is God's,
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    not at all, saved to the uttermost a long time ago. My degrees are not in Bible. I was trained at the feet of good Baptist teachers. Are you referring to a verse?
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    Why did you say this? Yes, we must be born again We have been given the power or exousia power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases,the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege) to become sons of God Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to...
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    How was Christ Forsaken?

    what basis do you ask this? Explain the question
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    No one has even implied we can come to God on our owe. That is part of the error , to include the ability to act on desires. We cannot save ourselves as scripture plainly says. but we can realize our condition and WANT a solution. We may not know of Christ but desire a solution. Many seek...
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    We cannot use a wrong definition that you subscribe to, as Calvin uses. Free Will does not include the ability to bring a desire to fruition. We have to use the scriptural definition . Do you agree with this? thelēma what one wishes or has determined shall be done of the purpose of God to...
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    Time? I said it repeatedly already, You need to consider the result of your positions, You don't write it but it is the logical conclusion for not having a Free Will. If I can't make my own choices but that bad decisions occur, then where did the bad decision come from...? Does God cause...
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    How was Christ Forsaken?

    He became sin and that was why He God left him. God is too Holy to have a relationship with sin, This describes our situation and the reason for Jesus to come. Sinful death is separation from God.
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    Do you have Free Will?
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    It is hard for me to understand how a professing Christian trained in Hebrew and Greek insists that God is the cause of sin bt rejecting Free Will. We sinners live in sin because of the cares of this world or self being out only consideration. If we sin and continue in sin, we are in bondage to...
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    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Jesus who became sin was separated from the Godhead. God's Holiness would not allow sin in His presence He was alone on the cross Jesus as God and man , being man we share in His death , being God only He could pay the sin debt. (to Himself for us) egkataleipō abandon, desert leave in...
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    Free Will Origin of Sin

    I usually type with one hand, very little editing and rambling. but Free Will is so obvious and so scriptural I have not developed an outline to prove a position. I cannot understand the error of so many who are well learned in other areas who should know more of this basic doctrine. It is...
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