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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    O.K. I'm hardly in a fringe minority here. I used to think like you do. I was taught to. At this point, your questions are simply obtuse. This suggests to me that there is no point in continuing here. Good day to you.
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    The animals also die, and that is because of Adam. But, they were not sinners. Adam was God's "image-bearer" to rule over his creation. Hence, death came upon animals also. Thus, there is no reason (based upon that) that death should not also come upon Adam's human progeny even if they were...
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    O.K. If you want to insist on this, I don't really care. I don't know how you distinguish Christ's defeat of death at his resurrection from what, the power of the wicked to resurrect themselves somehow??? Is it Satan that resurrects them? Whatever. It's not really that important to me what...
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    For the same reason animals die. Because of Adam. All of creation groaneth under Adam. All of creation awaits the salvation of the world in Christ.
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    The wicked are resurrected, I'm afraid. and I Cor 15 is all about the resurrection. You may not like that, but, it is so.
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    They did not sin "In Adam". (That's Theology talking) In Adam, though, they all die. (That's the text talking) In Christ, all shall be made alive. Some, the unrighteous, will be resurrected unto damnation and the second death. Others shall be resurrected unto eternal life which is again, only...
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    Because in Adam all die, and it is only in Christ that they shall be made alive. It is Christ's death and resurrection which achieves Eternal life. It is only in Christ that anyone is resurrected. (Even the wicked, for the judgement and second death) Read I Cor. 15
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    All of this has been addressed in previous posts. I don't know where the question: "Do you actually believe that God has changed"? came from; or what was in your head when you asked it. No one believes that methinks.
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    I didn't say that, in fact, I already addressed that here: If you continue to read Genesis through a Theological lense, I will continue to tell you you are mistaken for doing so. True or not.....Genesis says nothing about that. Genesis is not concerned with "Spiritual death" it is concerned...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    Correct. correct It was exactly that. That's what Genesis gives us. That is Systematic Theology talking: Not Genesis. Genesis says nothing about being "born again". It isn't "Spiritual Death. It was being prevented access to the tree of life lest he live forever death. It was ashes to...
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    No. I already answered this in the post you qoted That was me......already.
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    Righteousness is not defined by being an infant. Sin is defined by being aware of the law and breaking it. We all become guilty when we knowingly disobey the law. Babies aren't "righteous" they are simply babies. Don't let Theological hang-ups cause you to over-look the simplicity of concepts...
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    Do Babies go to Heaven?

    Yes, they go to heaven. They are innocent until they are given the law, and disobey the law. Like everybody else throughout history. 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    Yes, and that is prolepsis, and it is used throughout the Hebrew Bible, often using those precise words: 1Ki 2:37 For it shall be, that on the day thou goest out, and passest over the brook Kidron, thou shalt know for certain that thou shalt surely die: thy blood shall be upon thine own head...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    The only correct way to read it, is to understand that Genesis is speaking of physical death. I can agree that Adam became spiritually dead. The author of Genesis, however, says no such thing and does not intend for us to understand it that way. When Adam died, it was physical death God had...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    Agreed. We are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. I don't think anyone disputes that. What I do not think is that is what the Genesis narrative is about. I do not believe it was ever intended to be read that way.
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    The statement is prolepsis. He was refused access to the tree of life and he eventually died, as do all of his progeny after him. He didn't have to instantly keel over. God used prolepsis. "In the day you eat, you shall surely die". It's like a kid who does something wrong and says "I'm a...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    Adam did NOT die "Spiritually" when he sinned........... He DIED!
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    This all makes sense, if you accept that "die" means............ to "die". You don't have to qualify the word. It's the simplest word in every language on the planet. "Die" Means "Die" "perish" "cease all vital functions" "become inert" et. al. Accepting this will change your entire...
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    Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

    No. The common practice was to bury the body: Then when years had passed, to take the bones.....and place then in their final resting place. When people refused to follow Christ, they made the excuse that they had to "bury" their dead. Hence why erstwhile followers tried to buy themselves YEARS...
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