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i think terms like 'before or after' are linear not infinite.

Nor do we. As do we, we just believe God's gracious provision can be resisted, where as Calvinists believe it is effectual.

Do you have children? If you ever choose to allow your child to make a decision independently of you, have you become subservient to them? If you don't use your physical stature to over power their weaker body, are you now weaker than they? Your argument presumes it is not God choice to...

That wouldn't work. I would eat my ammo. :tongue3:

I don't think the concept of God waiting patiently on man is in contrast with the biblical revelation: The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 But...

Well, the way you worded your statement would lead one to believe that Arminians deny the need for God's gracious enabling work in order for us to please him. That is what I was addressing. Likewise, in regard to who determines man's salvation, even in the non-Calvinistic framework the...

Good to hear...just clarifying to be sure, as these words can be misleading at times. :thumbsup:

First, I responded to your erroneous signature line in a new thread...man, that is very straw-manish of you. Second, I'm not seeing how the explanation of YOUR position is answering the question I posed regarding the ability of God to enable a response. Your position suggests that God can and...

A signature line of a regular poster reads: Arminianism is simply the religious expression of Humanism. If the child of God cannot "will" or "do" anything pleasing to God apart from God working it in him (Philip. 2:13) how in the world does the Arminian think the lost man can????? This...

You keep leaving out the most important aspects of my posts...at least from my perspective. Can you reply to these parts?

One more point. The very fact that one adopts the concept of God's permissive will, as I understand it, carries with it another very important logical necessity...which is that there are some things God does not permit. That FACT itself validates the concept of human autonomy or 'free will,'...

See, this is what I was referring to before. I think there is an important distinction between God purposing evil and God working out evil things for His purposes. Granted, some passages themselves may not spell out that distinction very clearly but other passages do spell out clearly that God...

I don't think this can be equated with God's sovereign control over the consequences of sin upon human nature in light of God's own revelation...do you? God As it relates to man's abilities? God did. So, total inability just IS and God has no control over it? Regeneration has the ability to...

I hate to ruin a good thing, because we finally found some common ground. :) HOWEVER, a point I think we might disagree upon is regarding foreknowledge of evil. Does God foreknow what evil thing Dahmer will do because He sees Dahmer do it?

I find myself in agreement with most of everything you have written here, assuming I'm understanding you correctly (which may be a bold assumption given our history of misunderstanding ;) ) I would only state that I don't believe evil actually serves God purposes because I don't believe evil...

I agree completely. I don't believe Biblicist would agree with this in the sense that he doesn't believe God established the conditions of the fall by which mankind would be made totally unable to respond willingly to the revelation of God. He argues this is a 'natural consequence' but that...

You say 'natural consequence' but who designs nature? This is where you continue to take this discussion but you fail to address what makes something's nature. It doesn't just happen by chance...we all know that no self-respecting Calvinist would make that claim. So what or who determined...

:applause::applause: At everyone of these points in time that you listed the deterministic worldview makes NO COMMON SENSE. When you remove free will (responsibility) from the equation all of this history become pure non-sense. It confounds everything when you simply leave out human...

Can you unpack what you mean by 'permissive will' a bit more. You may have answered this elsewhere (if so just say so and i'll find it). But many Calvinists have a deterministic take on their views of 'permissive' will and I'm not sure where you stand.

I beg to differ. Paul was addressing a specific situation where by he was cutting off 'the elect' (Israel), while grafting in the Gentiles. In order to ensure God's purpose in electing Israel God reserved a remnant of Jews from the hardening process and they carried the gospel to the rest of...