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How would I need to do that in order to appease you? I ask because I suspect I could provide several quotes from people on this forum and contrast them to some of the older Calvinistic types, but I recall that approach not going well in the past with you because you have just about as much...

I honestly hope so...

Gentlemen...gentlemen...please. Let's remember who we represent here. Biblicist is clearly mistaken, as you know I believe, but he is also clearly intelligent and well educated. There is no reason to be personally demeaning toward another poster. We all have the tendency to go that route...

SOOO very true. I was in Cross Examination Debate throughout High School and College. One of the skills that was drilled into us for over 8 years was the ability to equally defend both the Negative and Affirmative side of any argument. Our teacher continually reminded us that debaters who are...

I cannot and will not speak for what Biblicist believes, but you seem to be accurate in your assessment, if I'm understanding you correctly (which can be a big 'IF' at times). I don't know if I would say that our view neglects 'God's sovereignty in choice,' but instead our view approaches it...

Not at all... that statement goes to prove that the apostle has been addressing Israel up to that point but now is referencing God's inclusion (grafting in) of the Gentiles as well. We've never 'ignored' this part.

For those who may not pick up on this intent: "Straw Man" is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having denied a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet inequivalent proposition...

and again... vs...

Wow...where to start... Let's take a little time to learn some facts: vs...

Close, but not exactly. God hardened or blinded (sent a spirit of stupor) to Israel AFTER patiently holding out his hands to them for a very long time (Rm. 10:21). Israel is being cut off, they have stumbled, they are being blinded from the truth BUT only because they have continually and...

Indeed. Thanks for being objective about that point... Sure, not a problem. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to...

The objector to the Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 9 may be an "Arminian," but the actual objector to Paul was a Hardened Jew who God had 'held out his hands to all day long' with 'great long-suffering' but who is now being used for the ignoble purpose of being blinded in his rebellion so...

1. No one can believe unless they hear. (Rm 10:14, 17) 2. Israel can't hear because they are being hardened by God (Mk 4, Jn 12:39, Acts 28:21-28, Rm 11, etc) 3. God selected a few from Israel and reserved them from the hardening so as to ensure His purposes in electing Israel would stand...

So true! :thumbs: And one need only read the context of John 12 to see beyond all reasonable doubt that the idea of God only irresistibly drawing a relative few from the Jews and Gentiles is completely off base. The fact that after his death he commissions the spreading of the Gospel to ALL...

No man can come unless enabled to hear the truth....i.e. 'he who has ears let him hear.' The truth is being blinded from Israel prior to Christ's crucifixion. He doesn't enable the world to come UNTIL after he is lifted up (Jn 12:32), and its then that he commissions the apostles to spread the...

No, its your failure to distinguish what makes a faith dead or living. That's because faith isn't a noun but a verb. It's not an attribute one is given, it is a truth one chooses to trust or trade in for lies.... (faith is a verb unless you're talking about the "Christian Faith") Sometimes the...

Tozer answers this type of argument better than I can: "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the...

So, why object to those who argue that men are being 'forced' or 'coerced' in the Calvinistic system? It's not as if anyone is speaking of physical force when making such accusations about Calvinism, so why the objection to that accusation at all given your insistence on this particular...