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There is a little something called 'historical context,' which addresses EVERYTHING that is happening at that time in history. (i.e. Israel not being enabled to come while Gentiles were...cut off/grafted in) What is true of the audience in John 12 is true of the audience in John 6, why...

Again, do you all carry around some kind of decoder ring to help explain all these complexities? :smilewinkgrin:

No, I've been more than willing to examine why some, like the audience in John 6, weren't enabled to believe and others are: "For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes...

Too bad the gospel isn't mentioned in that text otherwise you might have a case for you presumption that the Gospel is too weak to overcome that fallen condition...

Congratulations. :) I was merely responding to, "Nobody said He is. That is simply your spin on our position..."

That's fine. But it is one of the most widely accepted Reformed statements of faith. You did say, "Nobody said he is," so this was my effort to reveal how the system generally does make this claim, even if you individually deny it.

I agree with this, so I'm not sure what you are attempting to argue against what I've said? All along I've argued that works are not sufficient to justify, whether done from conscience (Gentiles) or revelation (Jews). You seemed to be arguing that men are justified by works produced in us by...

But God chose to hate the one and love the other BEFORE they did evil. How does that not support double predestination (predestination for reprobation) when applied in the Calvinistic system? Boy its a good thing Paul didn't leave out those two verses or your whole system would come crashing...

"God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass...He not decreed anything because He foresaw it as future... By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated...

True, humility is like holiness. If you think you have it you probably don't... :thumbsup:

Well, obviously faith and repentance are prerequisites for salvation. But you seemed to be inquiring about a characteristic or trait that was common among those to whom God shows grace. That is humility IMO.

I'll show you: Me: So do you believe men are justified by works? You: NO, that is heretical. I believe men are justified by Christ's works imputed to them by grace through faith. Me: Oh, ok, I agree with that. However I think Paul's point here wasn't to address the imputation of Christ's...

So you still affirm that men are justified by works? Okay, so be it. I'll stick with the rest of Christian scholarship and my interpretation. I didn't see that post...I may have missed it. Then we are all going to hell. I'm counting on us being clothed in Christ's righteousness, not our...

So, are you arguing that men are justified by their good works or not? On the one hand you call that view heretical and then you still seem to be defending it... I've quoted you no less than two commentaries that I agree with, and they both happened to be of the Calvinistic persuasion. What...

Go back and re-read this thread. You will see that I ASKED you specifically what you believed. I never accused you of believing it until you starting avoiding answering my question and insinuating that a straightforward answer would be heretical. Plus, I asked if you believe we are...

The opposite of pride is _________. God hates the proud but gives grace to the ____________.

I'm not sure what a passage about how to discern demon possession has to do with our discussion, but I think what you are attempting to say is that no one can confess Jesus is Lord except by the assistance of the Holy Spirit. Now, we obviously both agree with that point, except you believe the...

Oh, were you blinded on the road by a bright light then healed three days latter to become the apostle used of God to write a large percentage of the New Testament? I'm being purposefully facetious to make a point. Hopefully you are seeing that point, but just in case you didn't I will spell...

1. In post #36 you respond quoting the text and saying of my views, "Egad Skandelon, read the text!...How much plainer can Paul present it? Are your presuppositions so strong that you can't see it?" 2. After you argued that in interpretation was man is justified by the 'natural works'...

Right. How do they support their understanding of Sovereignty given these facts? Did God's sovereignty take a break when these determinations were made? Was God just not able or willing to be involved in the punishment/consequent phase of the fall?