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Iveyleager, I think that is where you and I disagree a little. I believe God does know exactly the past, present, future. What I understand to be the issue regarding Sovereignty is that Calvinism (as espoused by Beza, Boettner, Van Til, et al.) teaches that God is so Sovereign that if anyone...

Hey Larry, At least we're both still laughing, right brother? At the end of the day, we both will have retained our integrity despite our disagreement and there is something to be said for that. :) Also, don't stop me guys. This is a great way for a newbie to get a ton of posts.

I appreciate that feedback RL. Thoughtfully said. I think, however, that what you call history may also be perceived as "baggage". I think my point is that I'm less concerned with what a label means to the "christian community" (which doesn't really exist anyway-universally at least) than I...

I suppose I can say again that I don't think that is what election is about. Election or choice was before the foundation of the world. Agreed. Did I say otherwise? And that is a problem why?

Can I ask who you are referring to and what that means?

Sorry, I noticed something else I'll respond to: That's interesting. How is this new nature different than what Adam had? So you are saying that although 100% of the human beings that lived in a perfect world in the beginning chose to sin against God, 100% of the new elect that have this new...

No offense, but I think you are too enveloped by your theology to see what I'm saying. Here are my responses. The question is not that at all. The question is who did God choose? Individuals or all those who met His condition? His unconditional choice was that Whosoever shall call upon the...

To further your point, there are conditions one must meet to be saved. Repentance, belief, confession to name a few. To say that God's choice was unconditional is to say that God chose without the necessity of repentance, belief, or confession. The question is not whether God knew who would...

No offense, but that is exactly what I would expect someone who is locked into a two option view to say. In your world there is no option for a third view, so I must fall into one of two camps. With that type of simplistic view of theology, where broad generalizations are made based on seeming...

While I'm at it, I may as well point out another related to Calvnism-Total Depravity. The key to understanding total depravity in my view is having a proper understanding of biblical "death". Death in the bible is not non-existance. Its separation. God said to Adam and Eve that the day they...

4His_glory, You would have to ask them whey they call those people heretics. Pastor Larry, In my view there are many issues with Calvinism but one seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "grace" as a somewhat gnostic force. God's "grace" is merely his unmerited favor. It is not some...

Not to speak for IveyLeager, but believing that God did not unconditionally choose people for salvation is not necessarily Arminian. It may sound similar to something Arminius taught, but could be entirely different depending on the basis of why you believe God does not unconditionally choose...

I guess a broader question would be are Baptists Protestants. I'm a Baptist, but I'm not a Protestant. Neither were the Anabaptists. Anyway, we all have to contend with the ineffectiveness of labels. Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. all call themselves Christians, but I would...

4His_glory, You could apply your argument to any label...Christian, Calvinist, Arminian, American, Baptist, etc. So what's the point of using any? I will stop using Biblicist when humanity stops using all labels. The clarity comes from explaining what you mean by the term, which I have...

Hi all, My first.....maybe my last? Post. I agree 100% with Plain Old Bob on his definition. I was saved at 17 with no christian witness, just from reading the bible. At the time I didn't even know there was an old and new testament. I had no Christian witness after I was saved for...