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Of course. I've argued that all along the way. And its not a condition from birth either. It is a process by which someone BECOMES unable to see, hear, understand and turn to God for healing, otherwise they might. That is the EXACT words of scripture...FACTS. What is your definition of...

Doesn't matter. It shows the distinction between mankind's inability to attain righteousness through the pursuit of one means while able to attain it through the pursuit of the other. Plus, Paul tells us in the next chapter that faith comes by hearing. Sure it does. Not in this exact verse...

1. Are men held responsible for their response to the truth contained in the gospel? Yes. So, why would any rational or reasonable (objective) person presume otherwise? 2. What is the purpose of the gospel? To make an appeal for all men to be reconciled to God through faith in his Son...

Question begging...I know because I could say virtually the exact same thing back to you (typically a sign of the question begging fallacy). I'd just simply say you have no basis to assume or demand that the sinner has no ability to respond to the gospel just because he is unable to fulfill the...

That's because its an analogy of MY perspective, not yours. Plus, the analogy does affirm total inability to attain righteousness by works (i.e. grades)....just like scriptures do. Since when is being unable to make the grade through hard work equal to admitting you can't make the grade and...

If I wanted to make the analogy perfectly correspond to reality I suppose I could have made you have a son in the course who earned a perfect score which you impute to those who seek your help, but that wasn't the point of the analogy... I asked you not to nitpick the analogy, but just to...

You say that as if grace through faith is a new purpose. You did this earlier when you talked about the 'post-defacto way of escape,' when in reality there has always been only means of escape.

That's just in the analogy...I also affirm substitutionary atonement...which is provisional not particular in nature in our view...but that is not the point of the analogy or this portion of the discussion. Analogies are typically meant to illustrate one specific point, and any of them can be...

Right, the total inability to pass your course without help, not the totally inability to seek help.

I posted this right after my last post and I didn't want you to miss it. I understand your view, I just disagree and hopefully this will help you see why. At this point I'm not looking for agreement, just understanding and then we can just agree to disagree and move on. :)

Walter, Listen, bro, I understand your argument. You don't have to keep restating it. I just disagree. You believe that God demanded perfection, which is clearly unattainable, and that somehow proves that God has and will demand that which unattainable, but the fault in that logic is that...

Ok, then change the question to "What purpose did God obligate them to keep the law?" Because if you cannot agree with me that the purpose of doing something is as vital as the something being done then we might as well end this discussion now. Indeed. WHAT he demands is that they keep to law...

We are now discussing the exact same topic on multiple threads, which is getting confusing. I'll leave this topic for the other thread where I thorough just answered this issue.

Consider your hand firmly shook. :)

Biblicist, Look at it this way: Bad news: You can't keep the law, you have fallen short, no matter how good and moral you are it is not enough. You deserve death and hell. You cannot, even if you wanted to, attain righteousness by works of the law. Good news: Christ kept the law for you...

I understand that. You believe the man's nature must be changed irresistibly for him to respond....and apparently even after having a change of nature he still need a certain 'measure of grace' to yield himself from temptation. I believe this view undermines human responsibility and the...

What I denied is the assertions that God COULD NOT justly condemn law breakers. He could. I'm debating if he WOULD based on what we know from biblical revelation. That may seem like a small distinction from your perspective but its a big one from ours because we aren't attempting to argue...

I agree that we all make mistakes and should own that...I know I have and I do own that. However, the bible does specifically warn about divisive people who can be warned numerous times only to continue in their behavior. I think most would attest to the fact that you are a reasonable...

If you are offered a job by a friend and later that same friend promotes you 'up the latter' because you are faithful in your work and at the end of your career in an award speech you say something like, "I'd like to thank my boss and my friend for his kindness because I wouldn't be here without...

I concur. .....