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Huh? :confused: I used to believe like you. When I was a Calvinists I attempted to make the same arguments you are making now, but obviously my views have changed and I no longer accept these views. I was a Calvinistic prior to 2003, not while in my discussion with you. Does that clear up...

This is VERY TRUE. I have LITTLE DOUBT that if you and I were discussing this topic over coffee at a local Starbucks that we would get along swimmingly. In fact, I think we'd most likely be close friends...as my best friend in the world is Calvinistic and so is my brother, who is a missionary...

Also, do you want me to answer those three question as non-calvinist or as I think a calvinist would answer them? I ask because we are not talking about my perspective, but the perspective of a Calvinist in this thread.

What twist? Be specific. Were in the OP did I twist your views? I simply stated them in a clear concise manner. Why won't you either affirm or deny them and quote the line you deny and tell us why?

Google the phrase, "I could care less" I was kidding you about a common misstatement of this phrase....let's lighten up a bit. Ok? I was pointing out to P4T, if you remember, the most commonly held views of scholars in the Calvinistic camp. Thus, to provide a notable scholar from the...

I know this isn't true because you don't exist in my dream world. :smilewinkgrin: and as my quote proves, neither do scholars like Piper...but to each his own. Believe whatever newfound dogma you want...you wouldn't want to read even folks from your own soteriological perspective, you might...

Me leaving a endless circular conversation where you kept saying the same thing over and over again while ignoring my rebuttals is not 'fleeing,' Biblicist. I'm sorry you feel you were short changed in your attempt to proof text your system on the exegesis of one verse, but I don't know how...

I'm talking about you inability to resist sin and yield to God. You are unable because (1) God decided that would be the consequence of the fallen condition, and (2) because God decided not to grant you enough grace to overcome that condition when tempted in every instance. Your inabilities...

Well of course it due to the grace of God, but AGAIN (for the millionth time) since when does a gracious gift have to be effectually applied for the giver to receive all the credit for giving it? Should God not also receive for glory for the grace he gave that was resisted and squandered...

You know full well I've provide plenty of biblical arguments against your views along the way... In fact, in my estimation your rebuttals of my exegesis of Acts 28, Mark 4, Matt. 13 and Romans 11 are very much lacking, but to accuse me of never making biblical arguments is clearly unfounded...

You edited some things... "Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!" Should that read, "Well done me, I effectually caused you by my grace to be faithful with a few...

And you couldn't simply confirm or deny that my assessment was fair and accurate? Why not? Could God make us unable to choose sinful actions? Sure. But both of us confirm that we, as believers, still sin, so we are discussing the reasons for that, remember? Did I say he was the author of...

Since you "could care less," then apparently you must care some, thus I'll provide you a quote from Piper: ;) Not everybody is saved from God's wrath just because Christ died for sinners. There is a condition we must meet in order to be saved. I want to try to show that the condition, summed...

The ONLY way? Really? Have your read all my posts over the decade? And do you honestly think my system (which, btw, is held to by significantly more Baptist scholars than yours) hasn't been thoroughly exegeted in countless works available to us all via the world wide web? The fact that my...

I was in a conversation with Biblicist when the thread closed (why that is necessary, I'm still not sure), but I ended with these conclusions about the Calvinistic system. When a believer sins he does so because God, for His own secret purposes, has not granted him the ability to yield or...

I used to believe it and teach it, why do you suppose I cannot grasp it now in my discussions with you? Are you one of those who thinks that in order for someone to understand a concept they must believe it to be true? Like I alluded to in my last post...the only reason that I don't accept...

The fact that you think this element of our discussion is 'new' only further reveals what is blatantly obvious to those reading along. 1. That isn't all you said, you also wrote, "..when in fact faith is evidence of salvation," but Calvinistic scholars teach faith is evidence of being elected...

You are too kind. :)

I think you nitpicked my 'may' in that sentence, I was agreeing with your assessment of their choice to sin, not their choice as to the extent of the consequences imposed for that sin. It's fine to appeal to mystery, but your system doesn't do that...at least it wasn't earlier when you said that...

And the Hyper-Calvinists doctrine of soteriology is classical monergism at its worst. What's your point...that any common beliefs with anyone of a differing opinion must invalidate that belief? This fallacy is called 'guilt by association.'