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great. I know of no truly born-again believer, who would do. Salvation from start to finish, is the work of the Triune God.

care you expand on verse 22?. If these are the "non-elect", who before the foundation are going to hell, why would God "endure with much longsuffering" with them? Why waste any time on these who by your own theology, are hell-bound from eternity past, since all decisions for the destinations of...

so whoever said that salvation was the "work of man"?

I am not Arminian or Calvinist, but a simple Bible-believer. Here are some questions for you and your friends on BB 1. Does God love all sinners? 2. Does God desire the salvation of all sinners? 3. Is God willing that any sinner go into eternal damnation and perish? 4. Does God preordain any...

Ephesians 1:13, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (KJV) "after that ye believed", better in Greek, "upon believing"

would you ever call Jesus an "ignoramus", even as a joke?

no doubt you are a friend of TCassidy

TCassidy did not name mean, but the context did. Don't try to defend him. I am not apologizing for anything as I have not misrepresented you in any way. End of...

no, not after, but when/upon/at the time of.

What a shame that people like you actually "represent" the Lord Jesus Christ. We have been here before, with your superior-than-thou attitude, which also recently offended a new member! Try to reflect Jesus and quit your pompous attitude. For your information. Yes, I do live in England, but...

you have problems with English, as I have NEVER said this! Show me where I did? What we have in the Hebrew and Greek Bibles, are ONLY COPIES, and the ORIGINALS are LOST. Can you understand this?

:rolleyes:

:Roflmao

I have had my say on this...

some have a hard time understanding deep studies!

how about any "quotes", that some suppose the NT has?

ok, then COPY.

This is guesswork, as there is NO evidence that God ever quotes from ANY "translation", since He is the One Who Inspired the original writers.

did you know that the DSS is in more agreement with the LXX, than the MT? The DSS could indeed represent the original Hebrew closer than any other text. So, it is not difficult to conclude, that the NT quotes that resemble the LXX, and actually from the Hebrew of the DSS

there is not Hebrew original, we only have "translations"