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Go to post #23 of mine and read with comprehension.

It is included, but all kinds of heinous sexual perversions are lumped in. Older versions use the term 'strange flesh.' So it may even refer to some kind of unholy connection with angels as well

The above is abbreviated from an earlier post of mine for the benefit of Steven and others. You guys have the underlying premise of an improper predication.

Jude 7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." (NIV) "And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled...

Attention Y-1, the above is addressed to you. There is nothing more to add.

Concluding Job : 40:8 ESV :Will you even put me in the wrong? NIV : Would you discredit my justice? 40:19 ESV : the first of the works of God NIV : It ranks first among the works of God 41:9 ESV : the hope of a man is false NIV : Any hope of subduing it is false 41:33 ESV : On earth there is...

Is grief proper to God? John Owen: "The apostle tells us that God is 'blessed forever,' Ro. 9:5; "He is the blessed and only Potentate,' 1 Tim. 6:15; "God all-sufficient, "Gen. 17:1. That which s inconsistent with absolute blessedness and all-sufficiency is not to be ascribed to God; to do so...

Job 37:16 ESV : Do you know the balancing of the clouds NIV : Do you know how the clouds hang poised 37:17 ESV : you whose garments are hot NIV : You who swelter in your clothes 38:9 ESV : thick darkness its swaddling band NIV : wrapped it in thick darkness 38:33 ESV : Do you know the...

How do you define conservative? Does the NIV use more inclusive language than the ESV? Yes. Does that alone mean that the ESV is more conservative than the NIV? No. The ESV fails with respect to readability as I have demonstrated on a plethora of threads. When it comes to accuracy opinions may...

You have been specializing in baseless allegations against the NIV for a decade and one half. None of your accusations have been proven from the text of the NIV. If it's not in the text, your charges are mere fabrications Change your stale routine. It's dead in the water.

The point we are trying to express is that you should never treat the reading and studying of a translation as a trite exercise. It is insulting as well as untrue.

One element should not be sacrificed for the other. It's a balancing act. But if a translation has too much biblish in it, readability is compromised. The meaning should be transferred as much as possible; the form is secondary.

However you view it, Mohler was wrong. By 2007 on the inside, or 2012 on the outside, no one has argued for the removal of the words 'marriage' and 'family.' No translation has removed those words. In particular the TNIV did no such thing nor its successor the NIV 2011. In addition, no one on...

"Properly God cannot repent, Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:11, 9, because he is unchangeable in his nature and counsels, 3:6; James 1:17, and perfectly wise, and constantly happy, and therefore not liable to any grief or disappointment." (Matthew Poole) "The repentance which is here ascribed to...

Reading the funny pages can be called casual reading. Using that term for reading the Bible is sacrilegious. What is it? 1)Are you being deliberately provocative 2) you don't know the meaning of words 3) you have a shallow view of God's Word

This falls under the doctrine of Impassibility. "Impassibility is that divine attribute whereby God is said not to experience inner emotional changes of state, whether enacted freely from within or effected by his relationship to and interaction with human beings and created order." (Thomas...

Job 36:16 ESV : what was set on your table was full of fatness NIV : the comfort of your table laden with choice food 36:18 ESV : let not the greatness of the ransom turn you aside NIV : do not let a large bribe turn you aside 36:20 ESV : when peoples vanish in their place NIV : to drag...

Job 34:12 ESV : Of a truth, God will not do wickedly NIV : It is unthinkable that God would do wrong 34:36 ESV : Would that Job were tried to the end NIV : Oh, that Job might be tested to the upmost 35:8 ESV : Your wickedness concerns a man like yourself, and your righteousness a son of man...

The title of this forum is "Comparing and Contrasting Bible Versions and Translations." I think I have done more of that in this forum than anyone else. The ESV has a great deal of awkward and unnatural English. In contrast the NIV is plainer. It's not a matter of the ESV being more faithful to...

Continuing with Job 32:13 ESV : God may vanquish him, not a man NIV : let God, not a man, refute him 33:7 ESV : my pressure will not be heavy upon you NIV : nor should my hand be heavy on 33:10 ESV : he finds occasions against me NIV : God has found fault with me 33:25 ESV : let his flesh...