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    Single Predestination

    Yes. Isn't it more desirable then for all believers to give praise to God's Sovereignty and Loving Grace without having to prioritize one over the other? This is scripturally and logically possible in Single Predestination.
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    Definition of Free Will

    I'm not particularly a free will advocate, but my definition would expand on the one defined previously - freewill is "having a nature that is free to generate any desires to be fulfilled". Most people describe freewill as our volition - our ability to choose from among our generated desires...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    Not at all. I'm arguing for a distinction in the terms "adoption" and "manifestation of adoption". "Adoption" refers to the placing as sons by definition and occurs in the here and now for the believer. "Manifestation of adoption" refers to the redemption of bodies by description and occurs at...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    I guess this point of mine too was missed in my loong post. This is how I read Rom 8:23 - Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    Okay, I can work with this for now since you do find my interpretation of Gal 4 true within its own context. How can you prove Rom 8 and Gal 4 are two different contexts? By your own words cross-referencing, I can go a step better and do whole verse referencing to show they are exactly the same...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    I guess that's on me - i shouldn't have been lazy and should've split it up. Because I see my points have clearly failed to hit the mark altogether based on your responses. I'm going to try micro-focusing on just this one point here - for the larger context, refer my earlier version :)...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    Why have you ignored my post #160 where i've done just that - presented cross-references to prove my position and show the contradiction in yours to prove what you've been demanding. It's not fair to ask for something and then ignore it for lack of effort.
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Your position from this verse is that adoption = redemption of our body. I simply know from common...
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    Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

    By way of general commentary, which is made not to critique but to share similar experiences, I'd warn you against standing your ground with what you think absolutely proves your position - Scriptures have a way of reconciling what is seemingly contradictory and we must let God reveal His ways...
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    Single Predestination

    Yes, your responses have been helpful in understanding your position better. Honestly, I agree with the core concepts though I disagree with some of the inferences. I can agree with this statement as such. From this, would you also agree that where God's mercy is not continued, we can surely...
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    Single Predestination

    These serve as working definitions which I do agree with. So speaking of us believers, We do not deserve eternal life - God gives us eternal life - we receive eternal life by the grace of God, yes? We deserve eternal condemnation - God does not give us eternal condemnation - we do not receive...
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    Single Predestination

    Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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    Single Predestination

    Is this some kind of joke? I was asking questions on your quote "Your emphasis on mercy belies your dependence on human works to continually receive mercy." - if your quote has the term mercy and I have questions on that, how do you expect me to somehow reference grace in it? To which point of...
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    Single Predestination

    I agree. Genuine faith is proven to be so only when God works it out in His elect. The non-elect never persevere in true faith - but was nothing good worked out in them by God to begin with? Wasn't king saul anointed king and didn't he walk in obedience for a time until he fell away? This is...
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    Single Predestination

    This requires some highlighting. Is it your belief that mercy is somehow merited? Or that it is somehow based on the works of the person being judged instead of the sovereign judge alone? Because I don't. In fact, this is the first time I've heard the phrase "human works to continually receive...
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    Single Predestination

    Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Isn't this in the context of salvation? Like I...
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    Single Predestination

    Let's take it one at a time... I'm stating my first premises here - 1. Regeneration is the giving of a new heart and renewing of the mind. Also described as opening of hearts and minds. 2. Any person who is renewed unto repentance must necessarily have been regenerated - for a hardened heart...
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    Single Predestination

    Those are not my words. I don't believe all humans are saved at birth. They are born into condemnation and can be saved only by God's grace from beginning to end. The process itself is not different between the elect and the non-elect. Just as the elect are hardened in their hearts, the...
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    Single Predestination

    Nope. Again, the idea in Single Predestination is not to be saved from being non-elect, it's to be saved from self and sin. God provides them the means of salvation so that they could be non-elect and saved if only they self-determined to persist in the repentance and faith they were once...
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    Single Predestination

    I'm not arguing here - I'm trying to understand your position better. Your quoting John 3:3 implies these children must be born again to not go to hell, right? Isn't that a requirement? And consequently you do realize this triggers a set of contradictions, don't you - because all children...
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