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I'm still confused about what happened. It does seem offensive, I'm just want the context. Did the counter-group have a point to the reenactment? Was it a black man on the ground? White man? Do you have any statements from those doing it? I certainly could have just been some agitators...

I'm still looking for the what rather than the who. Can someone to explain what Trump did wrong, rather than who didn't like it?

My guess is, the number opposed is much higher than the poll reports. I don't trust the Huffington Post. Black Americans Overwhelmingly Oppose Defunding the Police

Same points as above. Why are we obsessed over what people think rather than the act itself? And why do we still live and die over opinion polls that predicted the Hillary electoral landslide? Polls, especially now, have no accountability. There's no election to prove their worth. I like...

And plenty of key leaders are fine with what Trump did. This whole conversation bizarre. Instead of talking about who likes what, why not talk about the act itself? Rioters destroyed a church. Trump walked over to that church and honored it. I'm trying to think of a bigger nothing-burger.

Sounds like the OP is hopeful, but headed for more disappointment. The military loves Trump. Some leftover political disgruntled generals seems like a positive to me. I'm just amazed the the best scandal they can come up with is a walk to a church, and a holding up of a Bible. Trump must...

You're clear. I would consider tribes as akin to heritage. Here's a good comprehensive article on the issue from Answer in Genesis. Are There Really Different Races? by Ken Ham I also think of Paul contrasting Adam and Christ, the first Adam and the last Adam. Identity in Adam is crucial...

Even tribes could not possibly be considered race. Israel was made up of the 12 tribes of Israel. Would anyone argue these were 12 different races?

Yeah, I go along with that also. Whatever they want.

Trust but verify.

As I keep telling you, I fill out Caucasian. It's amazing how many points you've missed in this conversation.

Cool! Cite them.

That's your heritage not your tribe, unless you're currently are a citizen of one of these tribes. My tribe is American, regardless of my heritage. These are my people, my nation my shared language speakers. And thanks for thinking I'm cultured. I believe that's the first complement of that...

I wish you could get the simple truth I and others are trying to share. We're trying to explain to you that race is not the same as tribe and people. My black neighbor in America is by fellow tribe and people, sharing my nation and language. My skin-equivalent in Europe is not.

Indeed. Collectively judging an entire people group is wrong. It's wrong to judge black americans by the actions of a few. It's wrong to judge police by the actions of a few. I would like this to be applied more universally, condemning statements like "all whites are racist," as is taught at...

True, but we're also suffering because of a timid passive Church. The Church used to touch the culture in America. Its voice has become mute, and often a passive mimicker of the world. IMO, if America is judged, God will judge the silent passive church first.

Amen. And it has nothing to do with being anti-science. Words evolve in their meanings throughout the ages, and we need to seek the precise meaning of a word as the writer understood it. Scripture makes divisions along the lines of peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations. It's silent on skin...

Salty, do you acknowledge there is a definitional difference between the biblical word star, and the modern scientific word, star? Do you think confusing those definitions could cause confusion in biblical interpretation?

I'm very convincible, just not by bad arguments. You're continually advocating the mixing of biblical and modern scientific nomenclature. Posting more scientific classifications shows you're missing the point I'm making to you.

He did. I like Answers in Genesis' suggestion. We should refer to people groups, rather than races. distinctions in people groups are made from the beginning of history. Shem Ham and Japheth fathered different people groups. Would we really, however, think of them as being difference races?