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Man is naturally depraved from the Fall, he can have no Godly love or express it in any way, until AFTER he believes and is born anew. The initial faith that Paul is speaking of is purely faith in Christ Jesus, the Godly love that accompanies faith is after salvation.

No Cathode, If you don't understand anything I've said, understand this. I am separating works from faith in the initial salvation that saves the soul. Faith and repentance is where our salvation lies, but the faith is a submitting faith to Christ, strong in works AFTER the initial salvation...

We are all excited when we get saved, got to tell someone or bust. I remember when my Dad was saved at 75, the next day he talking to the neighbors telling them he was going to Church and was saved. He invited them to come to Church telling them he had never felt so free. I wouldn't have...

If you don't understand this, Cathode, the Protestant will always be a mystery to you.

Paul tells us straight out that works have nothing to do with our salvation. James is explaining the quality of the of the faith that saves. The quality of faith that submits to the Holy Spirit and allows fruits to be produced through a working faith.

The problem I see in Cathode's post and can't agree with it is that it teaches faith + works = salvation. "For are saved by grace through faith, not of works, lest any should boast." Cathode is placing James and Paul at odds with one another on works, that is not what is happening.

As a born-again believer in Christ we can walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit, by grace through faith you position in Christ has not changed. Gal. 5:16-17 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the...

Faith is about "walking in the Spirit" as Paul told us to do. That is placing our faith in Christ and submitting our lives to Him allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us in Truth. None what you have said can be done without that submitting and allowing the Holy Spirit to work through us.

And that's why I'm a Protestant. You are working your whole lives on the earth to earn salvation. Misinterpreting James and doing exactly what Paul said not to do. I'm working my whole life because I'm saved, the moment I believed I was placed safe and secure in Jesus Christ. My...

@C Yes, If a man is truly born-again he will do these things. I do these things quite often through the Church for those in need and on a person to person basis in the Christian spirit. It's our nature to do these things. If you can understand the following you will understand the traditional...

That was my public profession of faith. My original profession of faith that granted me the grace of God to salvation was made in my heart when I heard and believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I was saved, washed in the Blood, born-again a new creation in Christ at that very moment. No, no...

That was my public profession of faith. My original profession of faith that granted me the grace of God to salvation was made in my heart when I heard and believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I was saved, washed in the Blood, born-again a new creation in Christ at that very moment.

From the IFB perspective I made profession of faith in water Baptism.

We may have difference of definitions of what dead faith means. James gave an example of Abrahams faith being a live faith vs. a dead faith. Abrahams faith was proven through his actions, not faith and works together equaling justification. There's no way we can take James as meaning faith...

Oh, ok, I'm learning something here. The RCC then blames the Reformers as the heretics but not the followers seeing they are victims. These are things we need to know.

According to the RCC, not you, not your opinion, is Charlie24 a heretic or a separated brother?

We do those things you have mentioned in your post, but here is the difference in the Catholic and the Protestant. We only make repentance and faith mandatory for salvation, the rest you have mentioned we do because we are already saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

So many works I must perform in the RCC to be born-again. My faith is not enough, there are ceremonies I must do to seal my salvation. That is the base of my rejection, a total rejection, believing I can only be saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. So there is no way Charlie24 is...

It's for sure the Reformers were condemned as heretics and could not be saved outside the RCC. So it seems the RCC has made compromise that the protestants can be saved, but it's rather vague. I suppose no clear answer will ever be known.

@Cathode There's a Catholic question I can't seem to get answered. It's a reasonable and serious question. The early Church fathers believed in "outside the Church there is no salvation," well obviously I'm not in the RCC. Now the RCC says one can be saved outside the Church through no...