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Thank you for your enlightening statements Van. I appreciate your respectful input. I'm just saying that SOME proclaimed Calvinists say God makes people sin, as I showed in the text I posted earlier. I can give more screenshots if that would help anyone out. But I'm telling you what I saw with...

If I were a cannibal it would be because I chose to be. Not because God dictated I be one. <3

That is not what I'm saying. God loves us regardless. But He won't send us to heaven if we don't truly choose to love Jesus first. Obviously. :P It is due to God's love that people choose to love God back. When they realize they are not deserving of love and see themselves as sinners and repent...

I'm not denying that by their fruit you won't know them. But even then if those people aren't constantly showing those fruits, you can just put them in with the other self-righteous people in the world who pretend to do good when in fact they are wicked underneath.

You're saying it, and you're not denying that it means God controls our actions against our will. :Whistling So what you mean to say is that you believe God is a dictator (as i'ave said all along) and hand picks whom he wishes based on no standard WHATSOEVER.

Right, Picked us simply because he COULD, not based on anything we had in ourselves, which is faith. So what you're saying, and stop me if i'm wrong, God chooses based on NOTHING WE DO AT ALL. (note, i'm not talking about good works) And my gripe isn't with God, it's with you and your false...

-sigh- ONCE you put faith and trust in Jesus as your lord, THEN he gives you His holy spirit to help you do those fruits. :P I thought that was obvious....

And you remain blind and lost in your view of God. Either way, you had to put faith in Jesus at SOME point, so if you have that down, well I can't say you aren't saved, but I can say you have a wrong view of HOW you got saved. :)

Ohhh, okay, NOW you're saying it's a JUDGEMENT, not a sin, that God is making those mothers commit. Interesting.

So you're saying God makes people sin, thus, saying that God can sin Himself? If he causes others to sin, how is that not the next logical conclusion? You believe that all you want, but my God is an all good, all perfect Holy God who does not sin and does not make people sin, but uses their sin...

It is PUNISHMENT, not sin. PUNISHMENT. Why are you so hellbent on painting our All-Loving, All-Holy God in this evil way? Horrible! EDIT: Killing someone is a sin, but if done in the justifiable manner it is not. Same as with this. God punishes people, He is not sinning if His punishment is...

Yet he also said all this: Benjamin said: ↑ Hey, atpollard, I have a loaded for you also, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or no? Could God have stopped you from doing the things that you did? If not, then God is not Omnipotent, is He? Therefore God is really just “a god”. If yes...

But you already said that God CAUSES people to sin. Nope. Wrong again!!

I'm sure he didn't literally mean that about you. He was giving an EXAMPLE. JEEZE.

What a quite SELF-RIGHTEOUS answer, 'glorify me' 'chose me'. Aren't you just God's special snow flake handpicked from the rest of us unworthy to be picked snow flakes!! God doesn't make anyone to sin, he uses the sin WE COMMIT OURSELVES to bring glory to HIMSELF (not you, not me, not billy...

Saying the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. And you trying to convince me that you and your Calvinist friends paint God as a God who picks and chooses whom he pleases based on NOTHING AT ALL (NULL ZILCH ETC) is NOT wrong and abhorrent is like...

Why are you throwing bitter taunts back at this man? He is trying to debate with you about the OP. Why are you refusing to have a conversation? You're acting quite childish.

So you believe in a God that causes both good and evil? Then why does the Bible say God is Light and in Him there is no darkness at all? This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)

So you agree with the OP that God makes people sin? Hm. Okay.Noted.

OKAY? So why didn't God drag everyone's sorry butt out of their prison? What was the STANDARD that God used to save someone? Faith. If that person had FAITH in Jesus, God saved Him. I agree with that. :)