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Calvinists preach a God that forces people to love Him which is a FALSE GOSPEL and it HURTS the Truth when witnessing to unsaved folk by them essentially saying 'you are either chosen by God or you were not, your choice (AKA faith to believe) doesn't matter one quack'. You guys can word it and...

HOW is it robbing God of the glory? HE GAVE THE GIFT. You don't give the person who receives the gift the glory, because the one who GIVES IT is the one that is due the glory! You have a screwed idea of what glory is my friend. God OFFERING THAT GIFT OF SALVATION IS HIS GRACE. how am I robbing...

Well I believe that is a true thing to say of God, that He makes us more like Him to be Holy, but only through His Holy Spirit, and that is after we accept Christ as our Lord. And I agree with your last statement about God violating His creation by not giving them a freedom to choose willingly.

All loving, BUT all holy. So He is a God of Justice and a God of Love. Does not the Bible say God is love? Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. (1 John 4:8) I was just using that side of Him as an example of the foolishness of God choosing who to save or not. I...

But the fact that I am a person makes me a fact. So people can foreknow people. :p Sorry, couldn't resist.

Okay, saying in that sense makes me agree. Yes, after we choose to believe upon Jesus, God did choose us.

I'm not saying God didn't KNOW BEFOREHAND WHO WOULD CHOOSE HIM. But 'knowing' and 'making' are two different things. God doesn't make anyone choose Him, otherwise, all would be saved since if God is all loving He would choose to save everyone despite the fact we shouldn't be saved period since...

choose You forgot the key word

God also decided to choose those whom he foreknew would believe, irrelevant of their works, to be sanctified (made holy): i.e. God said "Because I know they will trust my Son, I'm going to choose him and him and him to make them holy and without blame". So God wrote down our names based on his...

That is a foolish above statement, so i will not answer it according to its' folly. :) Did I ever say that? Of course we all deserve Hell and damnation for our sinful selves, but God grants us mercy and grace by offering us the gift of salvation via His son who died for us all, giving EVERY MAN...

So what you're saying is that God foreknew His people, which are Israel, but He did not/does not know which Gentiles who will choose Him or not? That makes little sense to me if that is what you're saying. I believe God knows everyone's choice before we make it, but that doesn't mean He forces...

God is like a Father, and indeed He is our Father in Heaven, and in being such, He exerts His authority over His children, but a child has the freedom to obey or disobey the father and thus, gets the consequences or rewards of his/her actions in doing so. The Bible has always presented God in...

Chosen (Calvinism Exposed) This is a good rebuttal on the ideas presented, which is basically Calvinism (which I once believed in but now see that it makes our God into a dictator who chooses men based on nothing but the fact he felt like saving some and damning others) Man has always had a...

29 For whom He foreknew, (that is, whom He KNEW WHO WOULD CHOOSE HIM) He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; (so how could God have called those whom did not have a...

Calvinist or whatever -insert denomination- you are, if you believe Christ as your Lord and Savior you are all good :Thumbsup

Wrong. Jesus gives us all a way to heaven, we have to choose Him or reject Him. That doesn't take away the glory God deserves and gets from being the merciful Giver who offers salvation. You're misunderstanding the whole purpose of a gift. The gifter gets the glory, not the reciever. Why would...

Well someone either hears the Gospel from someone or they read it themselves, either way they have to have heard it from somewhere. I don't think a human element HAS to be involved, but the person who hears it (whatever way that is) makes the human free will choice to either accept or reject...

Man has been given a gift (Jesus), he either rejects it or accepts it. That's it. It's THAT simple. Really :) I agree entirely with the OP. Great job. :)

I've said it once and I'll say it again and again. God gives man the choice to choose Him or not. He knows who will choose him from the start, so in a way, yes, He chose us before we knew what we'd pick. But by man's choice, God weaved His mighty work into our lives. God still gets all the...

FALSE Faith is NOT a work, and it does not turn the Gospel into salvation by works. Faith is a sacrifice, a sacrifice of yourself to put your faith, your life, everything in JESUS CHRIST. We only become adopted as God's children after we receive His son through Faith. I don't disagree that...