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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    Were you a sheep before the New Birth, when you did not listen to His voice and follow Him? Or did you become a sheep when you when you heard His voice, drawn by the Father to follow Him? Were you a sheep before you believed, or did you become a sheep when you trusted Him. For His sheep listen...
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    Question to consider

    Yes, anyone who perishes does not perish because God willed it, but rather because they themselves willed it. I do not believe in double predestination.
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    Question to consider

    John 3:18. Which did Jesus say? A. Unbelievers do not believe because they are already condemned (even before they were born) Or B. They are already condemned because they do not believe option B makes unbelief the CAUSE of ones condemnation. A makes unbelief the RESULT of ones condemnation...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    So which did Jesus say? A. Unbelievers don't believe because they are already condemned or B. they are already condemned because they do not believe. My Bible says the latter...choice b
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    Everyone who hears and learns fromthe Father comes to Jesus. Some hear but do not learn. They reject the testimony of God concerning His Son. But the testimony is there. So what scripture do you have to demonstrate that God wants /wills some to remain in unbelief and under His wrath, so He...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    Who does He draw? I like what Rev Bob said in post 91 and would add concerning light, "to Him that has, more will be given, and to the one who doesn't, even what He has will be taken away. Those who respond to what Light God gives them will receive more. Those who reject what Light God has...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    God definitely initiates salvation. The first inkling of a desire to seek Him is a result of His Drawing us. This much is agreed on by Calvinists and the great majority of Arminians What the sides disagree on is whether the drawing is irresistable
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    Romans 9

    Romans 9:1-5- This chapter deals with the difficult fact that even though the promises were to the Jews first and the Gospel was sent to the Jews first, many who were Jews after the flesh were rejecting the Gospel, and therefore not being saved. Romans 9:6-9 Paul replies to this dilemna by...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    I understand what you are saying and I do apologize for the untimely interjection. I shouldn't have interjected.
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    But in the start, I merely asked a yes or no question. All of the rest of this was wholly unnecessary. I was merely looking for, yes I see it this way or no I see it that way. I was not answering for Rev Bob, I was asking a question for my own clarification. Nice talking to you
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    First of all, I never said anything about libertarian free will. Secondly, While our act of believing is decreed by God, the perishing of a sinner is not an unconditional decree. It is a judicial decree A. Damnation is a judicial decree based on a believer's sin. B. Justification is a...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    Yes, I have been following the flow. Observe. A. Rev Bob said he questions Unconditional Election B. You quoted the passage in 2 Peter to support ELECTION, saying it presupposes election C. As far as I know, Rev. Bob never said he doesn't believe in election. If he did earlier, I apologize...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    No. The same faulty argument can be used against election. It's like saying "if God chose people, there must have been a time when they were not chosen". Totally fallacious, because God is IMMUTABLE, meaning that His knowledge is just as immutable and from everlasting to everlasting as His...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    You quoted the verse in 2Peter 1. It was that verse I was addressing. If the verse is out of flow with the thread, then the fault is not mine, for I did not mention it.
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    We were talking about ELECTION, so I assumed that when you mentioned means employed by God, you were speaking of means of saving Grace, so I replied accordingly. So you bring up those confirmed in death. Is the command to make your calling and election sure written to those whom the preaching...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    Continued from above...So basically I agree with you on God's immutable foreknowledge, but the argument that conditional election somehow negates this does not follow, as far as I can see.
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    No, they would only have to believe that CHRIST met the condition of perfect holiness, and that righteousness is imputed to them through faith. (Romans 4). And that faith is the means of receiving the gift of salvation as defined by Calvin in a sermon on Ephesians 2:8-10 And God doesn't have to...
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    Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

    You didn't bother to answer the sincere and not rhetorical question I asked you, but... In Calvinism, (as I understand it, correct me where I am wrong),the means God has ordained in time only bring the Elect to salvation. And they are saved unconditionally, which means that the means infallibly...
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    Refusing Leadership

    If the man hasn't expressed that God has called him, I don't think the elders should consider calling him to be an elder. So I guess the issue is whether he has expressed that. In addition, even if he has been called, maybe he is in a season of preparation, where God is working on him in...
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    Refusing Leadership

    Must be called of God, not of men. Men presuring someone into the ministry is a really bad idea.
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