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But unconditional election presupposes that if a person is non elect, there is nothing they can do to change that, and if a person is elect there is nothing they can do to change that either. So if election is unconditional, God alone makes our calling and election sure. SO what is this verse...

Your right. God does not have to look down the corridors of history, but sees history as a completed whole. But that does not make everything in history infallibly determined on our end. From God's perspective, everything is certain. From ours, we still make choices every day. This is even made...

The freedom to will (want to do something) and the freedom to do are two different things (Romans 7:18). Paul had a desire to keep the Law of God, but was unable to do so in the power of the flesh.(Romans 7:19) This inability drove Him to Christ, who delivered him from the body of death.(Romans...

Calvin- True, indeed, as to the kind of drawing, it is not violent, so as to compel men by external force; but still it is a powerful impulse of the Holy Spirit, which makes men willing who formerly were unwilling and reluctant. C.H Spurgeon- For if we read our Bibles rightly, we understand...

If you are referring to me, this a strawman and a complete misrepresentation of what I said. Saying that love is not coerced and saying that God is not the cause and source of our salvation are literally light years apart. It seems like you folks never proceed beyond regeneration. I'm not...

First of all, spiritual death means relational seperation from God. Secondly, I was not arguing against God raising up dead people. I was talking about the fact that God does not coerce us/drag us. Those who come to Christ come willingly, because a work of Grace makes them willing. Thirdly, we...

Have you ever deliberately sinned since you were saved? If you have, then you were refusing Him at that moment. NOT that He cast you away, but you were casting Him to the back burner in your heart And if you ever refused the Gospel, and later got saved, then you refused God. Some people...

The thing is, God does not have to coerce people to love Him. Do a Divine work in their heart? Yes! Coerce? No. Even if He dragged them to come, they would not love Him because He dragged them to love. They would love Him for His goodness sake. Love is never coerced. Once it is coerced, it...

No external force, but there would certainly be things internal that condition our choices. Mind, intention, motive, desire, all of these things are part of us, and they apply to God as well. But they are not another agent, therefore these things do not negate freedom.

Please don't bow out. I'm enjoying the discussion. The thing about the way you are describing it, is it is almost like you are saying that God drags people AGAINST their will. I do not see that in the Bible. I see God doing a work through the Gospel and the Spirit which convinces and convicts...

But when God's Spirit bids him to come, he is free to come.

I agree with most of what you said, except I would say that neither absolute holiness nor slavery to sin Negates free will. Free will is the ability to make choices, and we make choices based on our nature. The Will of God is free but uncorrupted. Man's will is also free, but His mind and will...

The fact that God has never capitulated anything to satan does not negate the fact that unsaved people are held captive under the dominion of evil. The fact that some people are under His power does not mean God capitulated ANYTHING. In fact, satan can't do ANYTHING without God's permission...

Correction. All unsaved people lie under the dominion of sin and are taken captive of the devil. Not Christians who are in the Spirit and walk in Him and not after the flesh. The devil, sin, and the flesh have NO authority or dominion over the child of God. Because we died to all of that...

But if we are in the Spirit, the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets us free from the dominion of sin in the flesh, so that we are no longer under its reign

Ok, I agree with all that. But election is not arbitrary. It is not pulling names out of a hat. It is not based on anything good in us either. It is not based on anything we have to offer, we have nothing. It is not based on merit. Christ is our only merit. It is not based on the fact that we...

Romans 5:6- "when we were without strength, powerless Romans 7:14- ...unspiritual, sold as a slave under sin Romans 7:18- Good does not dwell in my flesh Ephesians 2:3- By nature, children of wrath. Romans 8:7-8- Fleshly mind cannot submit to the Law of God. Like I said in the previous...

Also, the same Hebrew word is used in the following passages. Genesis 29:31- And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, H8130 he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren. Genesis 29:33- And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Because the LORD hath heard that I was hated, H8130 he hath...

I agree with your post, I agree with your post. But the punishment of Edom is mentioned along with the "hatred" of Esau. The point I want to make is that neither Edom's wickedness nor the resulting punishment was due to an preexisting, unconditional hatred of God towards Esau. Edom was laid...