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ryr That's a good point. Often God does preparation on the heart even before a person hears the gospel.

Yes, upon believing we are sealed with the Spirit. I misspoke when I said after. We are immediately sealed by the Spirit. My point was that we are not sealed in this manner BEFORE believing. I should have said NOT SEALED UNTIL BELIEVE. Just as hearing LEADS to believing, believing results in...

Very good post.

That's good. It ran it's course days ago.

Jude 4- The word translated "ordain" is actually a perfect passive participle of PROGRAPHO "I write before" . IN other words, "...who were of old WRITTEN ABOUT" PRO is before and grapho is "I write". 1 Peter 2 :7- 8- Judicial hardening of unbelievers. Verses 9-10 God mercies believers. God...

While I was a sinner, Christ died for me, God loved me, God gave His Son for me, and this is true of all sinners...but nothing I said contradicts this.

Romans 2:4; John 5:19 with John 12:32

Does God extend saving grace towards all sinners? YES ....Equally? Well, it would be more equal if Christians got off their easy chair and did what they are supposed to do, wouldn't it?

YEP, not sealed with the Spirit till AFTER you believe.

Who believes that?

I answered this in the Semi Pelagian thread. Yes, God draws all men, but He does not draw all men at all times.

I never compared myself to you, so I don't know where "holier than thou" came from. Do you mean "holier than Who I used to be? Only because of what Jesus did, is doing, and will do.

Happens at the same time. AND born again is a work of Holy Spirit, so there again is a ministry of the Spirit working in conjunction with the Gospel. Forgive me for jumping in Saved by grace

There was no Glad4mercy before I was saved. The old me died, and I became a new creation. So, no, I am not the same as I used to be When I sin, yes, it's my fault. People who reject God are not His children. As many as believed were given authority to become children of God. The world does...

Can I give my two cents? The Holy Spirit not only convicts/convinces of sin, but also of righteousness and judgement. Is this a ministry/work of the Spirit that takes place in conjunction with Gospel preaching? Yes. So the text that saved by grace gave does confirm what I said well. Thanks...

Revelation 22:17. While the Bride is saying "Come", so is the Spirit.

..to those who believe. And it takes more than our will to believe unto salvation. It also takes a work of the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the preaching of the Gospel. Correct?

The analogy of drowning children does not fit the question. People who are lost are not drowning children. They are more like inmates on death row. And those who perish, perish because of their hard and unrepentant heart, not because God arbitrarily left them out. I am not a Calvinist, (I...

Would Jesus have jumped in and saved drowning children in His earthly ministry? Without a doubt. Does this question have any relevence to the discussion? Not that I can see. But let'[s go a little deeper... Did Jesus let Lazarus die? Yes Was Jesus unkind? No! Does God let children drown...

I said God draws all people. I did not say that God draws everyone at all times. God drew me in 1988 after many years living as a hardened, God hating, reprobate sinner. The way I was, I could not come, because I was a slave to sin and love of illicit pleasure, but the goodness of God...