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Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. (1 Peter 1:2) Election precedes believing, therefore a. they were chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4) based on God's foreknowledge (1 Peter 1:2), which is exhaustive and without beginning or end, (Acts 15:18) b. Chosen in HIM...

No, you said it well. Anyone who knows true Arminianism knows it is not semi-pelagian. And Calvinism is not semi gnostic. That is something I hear people who deny original sin say. They think original sin and moral inability is gnostic, which is not so. Arminians and Wesleyans do not deny...

True, but have you ever done anything contrary to the Will of your Creator? Are you going to say you havent? Your and my disobedience does not hinder or stop the will of the Creator.

When a person believes, it is based on the will of God.. When a person does not believe and perishes, it is of themselves, and not based on the will of God.

I was an unbeliever, and in an instant, by the Grace of God, I became a believer and was justified. SO this unbeliever BY THE GRACE OF GOD believed and was justified. But until the point of justification, I was lost. I was under the guilt of condemnation and sin. SO Grace of God to faith to...

Truth! And the will of the Creator is to save all who believe.

If your heart is truly right, you will live right whether you believe in OSAS or not. If your heart is not right, you will not live right whether you believe in OSAS or not. That said, I do not say OSAS because of the confusion it sometimes brings, but I do believe in the Security of the...

Well said!

(T. Cassidy quote- I had a pentecostal preacher say that to me one day. I replied to him by saying "If you still want to go live like the devil maybe you should check your salvation. If you are truly saved, God changed your "wanter." The things you used to want you no longer want and the things...

Well, I would say it was not a "potential to save all" because God knew not all would believe. More like God ordained that all who believe will have eternal life, knowing who would believe, but not "looking down the corridors of time", because God's exhaustive foreknowledge makes such a thing...

If a person is truly right with God, they will not look for a license to sin, nor will they use a doctrine or teaching as a license to sin. True repentance does not look for opportunities to trifle with Grace. With that said, I don't go by OSAS, but I do believe in the Security of the Believer...

Amen.

That would be Corporate election, which I do believe in (the church is elect of God in Christ the Elect of God) but I also believe in individual, personal election of believers. I basically have closer to Arminianism view on election, but I do not think God looked down the corridors of time to...

I love the spice of life. But what you stated is not an assumption. An assumption is something accepted without evidence. What God does in human hearts to those who believe is great evidence

So instead of Daisy or Tulip, this is what I see the Bible as teaching. S. Seperation- Natural man is seperated from God by His trespasses and sins, and is under the just condemnation of the wrath of God. (Ephesians 2:1) P. Propitiation- Jesus died for all men- Jesus paid the price of Death...

Another analogy is that when we look at the picture piecemeal without looking at the overall picture, we miss much. I agree with you, and no worries. I'm not trying to defend a position one way or another. These latest posts are not meant to be polemic or apology. Blessings, my brother.

So then the only way I can interpret what you are saying is that Calvinists that believe as you do are in agreement with premise that in Christ's death, the price of death was paid for all, but only communicated and applied to those who believe. Thank you for the clarification. As to the rest...

I agree with your post, brother. Yet what I am replying to is the assertion that Arminius agreed with four points of Tulip, and specifically Limited Atonement. I am wondering if Calvinists are willing to affirm Arminius' view of Atonement, which was that the price of death was paid for every...

No. That was stated when I quoted Arminians as inferring that the price of death was paid for all men, but only applied to those who believe. The statement I am replying to is where people say Arminians believed in Limited Atonement as taught in TULIP. It is my assertion that he did not.

Obviously, if Christ died for all, He died for the non elect too. There must be something God intended to and did accomplish in Christ dying even for the non elect. You can say it is to demonstrate His love I agree with the points He made, but with one condition. He said God's grace never...