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If lost pe I'm sorry. I thought that Paul said that God justifies the UNGODLY through faith. I thought we believed in justification by faith. We have been justified and righteousness has been imputed to us by faith. Obviously, we were lost if we were ungodly and were not yet justified

What I posted was not a compromise position. The point is that the Calvinist order salutus has calling, regeneration, faith, justification, etc. in case you didn't know, what I typed WAS the Classical Arminianism position. What I am saying is simple if you don't get tripped up in systems...

I agree that sometimes seeds are planted that bear crops later, in God's time. But I don't think there is an incubation period between faith and regeneration. Regeneration and faith happen together. Now here's another point. I don't believe a person is regenerated without being justified. I...

Faith is conceived by the Divine operation of the Holy Spirit planting the seed (Word) in the heart, and a child is born (regeneration). So the work of the Spirit producing faith is the conception and regeneration is the birth. Logically, conception is before birth, though in this sense they...

But the fact remains that we received the Spirit by faith. Please hear me out on this. Paul said in Ephesians "when you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit". Peter said that the Spirit is received upon repentance (which is part of saving faith.) The Samaritan believers in Acts 10...

Yes,the reception of the Spirit is the result of the hearing of faith. But no regeneration until the Spirit indwells and the Spirit indwells those who hear with faith.

Regeneration is a result of the Spirit's indwelling, which is the result of faith, which is the result of the effectual calling. Agreed that faith is not a gift we give to God, but a gift God gives to us.

...but he said received by faith

Understanding the gospel alone will not save a person. I do not think man's problem is understanding. Man's problem is the love of sin and self. There has to be a massive change of the heart for man to love God as He ought. The problem is deep, to the core. That is why God doesn't tell us to...

But isn't regeneration brought about by faith? Galatians 3:2, we received the Spirit by faith. Other than that, I do agree that it is by the grace and power of God that we initially believe (I myself have experienced powerfully what you describe). and it is by grace and power of God that we...

I guess the biggest disagreement lies in that I believe that many people are going to go to hell that didn't need to go there. And this is not based on thinking God is obligated to save anyone, or that I think that the way Calvinists represent things is unfair, I certainly do not. I know we all...

Monergism- Regeneration is an act of God alone...agreed. Particular redemption- Christ's blood only saves and redeems those who believe...agreed. If you are agreeable to these definitions, great. But these are not distinct to Calvinism. These should be held by any orthodox Christian. I am not...

I agree that Irresistable grace is a poor choice of words, and also agree that there is a radical move of God that accompanies the preaching of the Word that brings repentance and faith, leading to life. The soul is made alive by the hearing of faith through the operation of God.

HankD- That's the thing. TULIP uses a lot of imprecise terminology. Even RC Sproul took issue with "total Depravity", preferring "radical depravity". I prefer "moral inability". Irresistable Grace? Synergism? (I don't know of anyone that thinks man has a part in regenerationg Himself...

I have not found verses on a. irresistible grace or b. Jesus only died for the elect. I have found verses that teach that He died for the Elect, but nothing that says ONLY the Elect. Human inability, check Unconditional election. I do not pretend to know the basis of God's election, but I do...

I don't need to accept TULIP or DAISY. a. I believe that Jesus Christ came to save sinners through His Death, Resurrection, and High Priestly ministry. b .I believe that we MUST REPENT and BELIEVE to be saved. c. I believe that we are morally unable to repent and believe apart from a powerful...

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For what? Choosing to adhere to Scripture alone instead of choosing a system of Theology?

Yes, and both Classical Arminians and Calvinists agree on human inability apart from Divine Grace. And that this inability is a moral inability /ie enslaving love of sin. There is indeed a need of a radical work of Grace before we can even believe. There is definitely a "heart change" that...

I think that Arminianism and Calvinism are opposite poles of two extremes, and the truth is in the middle. Not because I try to find middle ground, but that is the conclusion I have come to after much study and reflection.