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This may not be your intent....but even the unregenerate are not always "as evil as they could or might be" Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Luk...

Agedman: Perhaps the problem is this: Personally, I easily, and immediately zeroed in on these verses: 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt...

That is a debated issue....personally, I do not think that that is what occured before the flood, or that it occured at all...but there is room for disagreement, as I think both sides have good positive arguments on those points. I do not see though, what animals have to do with it, that...

Yes to both, as I don't think they are inherently contradictory. Difficult to reconcile perhaps...but this might be a false dichotomy as all of the above are (taken at face value) Scriptural.

These are descriptive, and probably accurate statements about Jacob....I agree with you that he was (at least in some ways) "effeminate" but I maintain they are certainly not prescriptive statements about him. Studying Jacob, he is almost comically un-likeable, and I think intentionally so. I...

:laugh:And that is where you are mistaken.....could anyone have the veritable whirligig of Molinist ideology "all together"? :laugh: But an incompetent boob such as myself??

I am a huge Ann Coulter fan myself.....largely because she knows the meaning of...and knows how to use words like "womanish" when referencing complaints. Passive agression is cowardly, and vaguely akin to that employed by terrorists.

You did, actually, and sorry, I suppose for my part....but, as I object to the very terminology itself.....then even your objective attempt to explain it is sort of challenged by default.....Arms are kind of sick of "Pelagius" and "Arminianism" being used in conjunction with one another...You...

And now we have exposed it.....sraight from the horses mouth, or do you retract your statement.... Anything "DAMNING" is a heresy which (by definition) if adhered to, or placed saving faith in, assures the eternal place in hell for the adherent....so, now the obvious (I smelled on you ages...

YUPPP!!! it only serves to distract.

Very well then....my understanding (the quick version) is that the entire point of the Jacob/Esau story is that for the most part at least...Jacob was in almost every way...to include in fact, his mannerisms...his back-stabbing nature et.al. the precise definition of the almost most unlikeable...

LOL I laughed at this......and I have elected to respond obtusely...sue me. 1.) My definition 2.) No, I could.....but do your own homework...:laugh: And now, I will attempt to provide a more reasonable, positive and informative response to your previous post:

Sure....but having been raised essentially Arm myself...it was indeed the Word I was taught....as it would have been with any decent Cal Sola Scriptura tradition. As such, I had no personal need to be exposed to his particular heresy. I was taught the Word well enough to have known that those...

What is the difference? :laugh: Who is using the term and why :tongue3: "Semi-Pelagian", is a term obsessed over by Calvinist Polemicists....it is rarely used by any Arminian Apologists. I must personally thank Calvinists for keeping his beliefs alive and well....as they were good...

So, tell me the specifics shown in the film that are universal, i.e. are effeminate in all cultures all over the world. I suspect Luke knows how this trick works....."Society Does" type of relativism.....He will grant you some "specifics" and one particular obscure and possibly only...

Then pretend that "Bruno" is NOT GAY. Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as a person who exhibits many of those characteristics or mannerisms who is not? Decidedly, there are such people...people who are indeed "effiminate" who act "effiminate" and are yet, not in fact, homosexual...

By definition...."Middle Knowledge" almost cannot be "used" post the creative decree....His knowledge is now his "Free Knowledge". God has no more need to deliberate.

The entire film is an example of specifics....I have not seen the film myself....but I watched the trailer...."Bruno" is the very definition of what Luke speaks of....feigning ignorance is dis-ingenuous, and attempting to furnish further "specifics" would be a waste of his time.