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  1. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, And now we see yet another Scriptural passage that you deny: 1st Peter 3:21 "And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Combine...
  2. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    3 of 3 to DHK Again, that is your opinion. I don't believe that I've misapplied a rather uncontroversial principle in the slightest. You've said that the Catholic Church was established under Constantine numerous times. Since Constantine died in AD 337, maybe you're now saying the 4th...
  3. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    2 of 3 to DHK No, it doesn't. That's your opinion. Piling on Scriptures which either you or I could be misapplying will get us nowhere, either. That's why Scripture doesn't tell us to pile on more Scripture. The Scriptures tell us to appeal to the church of the Living God... and not Sola...
  4. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    1 of 3 to DHK DHK, Hi again. If I remember correctly, the question of contraception, the Pope's remarks, and the Zika virus were presented by you as an example of the Church changing its teachings (something you said happened very frequently, though you never substantiated the claim). I...
  5. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    steaver, First of all, you didn't identify a fallacy. Second, far from demonstrating the claim that I've argued fallaciously, you are revealing your own fallacious reasoning. Your fallacy here would be called the fallacy of conflation in which two separate things are regarded as one. In this...
  6. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, For the record, Pope Francis has just re-affirmed the teaching of Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae with these words from his just-released Amoris Laeticia (below: Paragraphs 80-83). This appears to be the clarification that we were awaiting in light of Pope Francis's confounding remarks...
  7. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, You keep saying the same things. I went through the Scriptures you and BobRyan presented for SS. Neither of you has responded to those with any substance. I also responded to practically every paragraph in the Norm Geisler article you shared with me. You've not even begun to respond to...
  8. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    2 of 2 to Martin I am not sure, but it seems that you're implying that the Via Moderna represented orthodox Catholic teaching. Well, it didn't. It wasn't the Via Antiqua. The Via Moderna was inconsistent with Catholic Orthodoxy on some very important points and in some writers' minds...
  9. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    1 of 2 to Martin Get ready for another really bad analogy. Maybe I'm floundering again! (Or maybe I just enjoy this kind of thought experiment and hope that you'll bear with me): Picture a locomotive. Now picture three or four rail cars attached to it. If there were some materials on one of...
  10. herbert

    Hi. Thanks. I know that these people will not change their minds. But it is remotely possible...

    Hi. Thanks. I know that these people will not change their minds. But it is remotely possible that one of them might re-think a few things, at least... We'll see! I won't stick around for long. I will just ride this conversation out and then hit the road. Thanks for the encouragement!
  11. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Hi, DHK- I know what the context of St. Paul's statement is as I've read it carefully before. At the same time, though, I see the concept that I'm presenting as being nicely presented here. St. Paul, broadly speaking, presents a pretty universal concept when he says: "Therefore judge nothing...
  12. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    B of A+B Only by committing a logical fallacy can one take this verse and understand it to mean that a private individual can, by virtue of the fact that he can read, determine whether someone is going to Hell or not. Only by committing a logical fallacy can one take this verse and...
  13. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    A of A+B steaver, As I think upon this conversation, a quote comes to mind, a quote from a powerful speaker and evangelist, Fulton J. Sheen. This is what he said: “There are others who like to see their neighbor criticized and their reputations ruined in order that they might have the...
  14. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Martin, I am going to be tied up for the next few days so I wanted to get this in yet tonight. Pardon me for my upcoming absence. God willing, I'll be back, though! I know that people seek various assurances. Such assurances led John Calvin, for example to come up with a very rigid...
  15. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    If you let me know where I contradicted myself, I could attempt to either clarify or acknowledge my problem. All I was attempting to acknowledge there was the idea that it is appropriate that we allow the clear passages to shed light on the less clear passages. I wasn't saying anything other...
  16. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Good point, Walter. Having grown up Baptist, I can't count on two hands the cases of sexual abuse that I have encountered. I know many victims of sexual abuse at the hands of Baptist ministers and youth leaders, etc. Sexual sin is a tragedy for the entire Christian witness. May God have mercy...
  17. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Martin, So the fact that the help is "free and undeserved" is inconsequential? That's not how I read and understand this passage. Further, the word "help" doesn't denote autonomy or independent activity which originates in the self. To help simply means to provide assistance. In this case the...
  18. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    steaver, Thanks for acknowledging this. Might I infer that you consider (Roman) Catholics to be Christians? For if you're acknowledging the fact that we are both Trinitarians, it seems to follow that you'd classify us as "Christians." If so, thank you, for not everyone here would consider us...
  19. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    ii of ii Yes, this other translation makes it a both/and just like the other translations. It can be said that we are justified by faith if faith is understood as something alive and vibrant, as something that isn't just put on a shelf to represent one's eternal assurance of salvation. Your...
  20. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    i of ii DHK, No, I do not care what kind of numbers "you" drum up. Why? Because you are appealing to Sola Scriptura. Therefore, your numbers have no bearing on the validity of your doctrine. This is why little churches like Westboro Baptist can be way off the mark when it comes to doctrine...
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