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  1. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    II of X The article continues: And contrary to some Catholic apologists, limiting this to only the Old Testament will not help the Catholic cause for two reasons: first, the New Testament is also called “Scripture” (2 Pet. 3:15-16; 1 Tim. 5:18; cf. Luke 10:7); second, it is inconsistent to...
  2. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    I of X Hello, DHK, you asked that I read Dr. Geisler’s article. I have done that. Here is my response. Please know that I strive to sound polite and courteous. Sometimes, though, it’s hard to ensure that the right tone comes through to a reader. So please be assured of my goodwill toward Dr...
  3. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK and Bob, I am pasting your words below just to alert you to the fact that I just posted here. -Herbert
  4. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    3 of 3: Galatians 1:6-9 “I wonder that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ, unto another gospel. Which is not another, only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to...
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    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    2 of 3: D. You said: “I see that scripture is to be used for doctrine and that it is the standard by which all teaching, doctrine, tradition and practice is to be judged.” Response: Since Scripture doesn’t judge and it is the moral agent who has the capacity to judge, we must acknowledge the...
  6. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    1 of 3: DHK and BobRyan- Here are my initial responses to what seems to be the heart of what you're saying. I will follow up with some other remarks as well as a response to the points made in Geisler's piece. I. Canon-related questions: A. Neither of you has a principle by which you may...
  7. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, Hello. I am a bit confused. It seems as though you responded to BobRyan thinking that his remarks were mine. Maybe not. That's just how I'm reading your most recent comment. I was wondering if you just glanced at the screen and somehow were under the impression that some of his remarks...
  8. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Bob & DHK, As I think about all of what we've talked about, and how radically different our perspectives are, I just want to say thank you for your kindness. It keeps me coming back! And it makes me think about Christ's words: "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love...
  9. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    I don't know exactly what "that" you're referring to. Was it something I said or was it something I said DHK said? Please clarify. For the record, I believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is deducible from Scripture and I don't think that anything I've said would indicate otherwise. But...
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    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    BobRyan- Thanks for the comment. As you know, I am trying to keep up with DHK. But you're right, it is my hope that we can eventually settle into a conversation focusing upon Sola Scriptura. A good place to start that conversation would probably be with the Geisler article that DHK shared a...
  11. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, Though I am working on another response, because of the sensitive nature of this stuff, in order to clear the air, I'll quick respond to what you've shared: I can see how you read those statements as one point. But I did intend for them to be read a bit more like a list of separate points...
  12. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, I am working through the material you've shared. But I must quickly jump in to respond to this. You must be sure that you understand a person correctly before you can criticize his position. In this case, I wasn't implying that Ephesians 1:23 was "talking about the prophets, Christ and...
  13. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, From here, I'll attempt to move on to the other things you've brought up recently (including the reading recommendations, etc.). But like you and BobRyan have suggested, we should probably work to direct this conversation toward the doctrine of Sola Scriptura: You said: I hope we can...
  14. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Part IX, the last one of this "set" of responses! I'll now get back to those matters and come back around to respond to the Geisler material, etc. You’ve said this before. And I agree that certain things change through development (as Christ changed from Babe to Man). But such is a far cry...
  15. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, I am reading your responses. As I said, I won't be getting to all of this new material right away. But I will in time. For now, I'd say that you're almost constantly begging the question or tearing down straw men. All the while you're ascribing to Scripture things it doesn't claim for...
  16. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Part VII By what consistent and objective principle do you determine those criteria by which you might come to recognize and affirm Christian orthodoxy? How do you determine who is and who is not “apostate”? If your answer has to do with whether or not the group or individual in question...
  17. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Part VI Catholics believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Christ. That is, Catholics believe that Christ established the means for the unity and maintenance of the Society which He established. This Society, by virtue of its divine founding, stands immune not to corruption, but to...
  18. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, Here's the next section. There won't be too much more. Part V When you say you’ve looked carefully at this matter, though you're referring to my reference to the Pope's "lesser of two evils" remark, I think you’re not really speaking to my comments as much as you are referring to the...
  19. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, I had a very busy weekend so I didn't get any more of my response to you posted. Here's some more. I am breaking it up like this to avoid presenting too much at once. Bear in mind, though, that I don't expect you to respond to these points (though you're certainly welcomed to) because once...
  20. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Martin, I am sorry that I didn't respond to you sooner. You may have picked up on the fact that I am new to this sort of environment. Therefore, I am quite clumsy with etiquette, formatting, keeping things brief and on point, etc. But allow me to respond to your point (hopefully briefly). You...
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