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  1. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    steaver, Thank you for asking in this way. It seems a lot more genuine. It is so hard to read a person's tone sometimes. I am often concerned about my own. And though we don't agree with each other here, I do wish to be kind and charitable. For though many Baptists don't consider me a brother...
  2. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    2 of 2 Again, it's not an a priori assumption on my part. That's why I'm here. I was a Baptist until I was 30 years old (8 years ago). I absolutely did not believe the Catholic Faith. And to continue denying that the term "Church" could possibly refer to the Catholic Church is to, once again...
  3. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    1 of 2 DHK, First you said this: Notice that last line "We have the Bible as our only authority, i.e., sola scriptura" Then when I went on to point out that you, too, read the Bible "like everybody else with a mind reads the Scriptures according to the perceptions, contexts, intentions, etc...
  4. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, You've now introduced another "authority" which I'd describe as a "democratic" appeal. Further, I don't care what kind of numbers you appeal to. For the Scripture says what it says: "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." How could I, even with an appeal to...
  5. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    Martin, Let's look at the Scripture in question once again: "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." Now, the principle to which you appeal (that Scripture interprets Scripture) is a valid one, for those who acknowledge Sacred Tradition. For those who have...
  6. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    steaver, These are really quite egregious mischaracterizations of the teaching of the Catholic Faith. It is a violation of God's law to "bear false witness." If you have been under the impression that these are accurate characterizations of Catholic teaching, I can assure you, they aren't...
  7. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, Blessings to you on this Divine Mercy Sunday. The problem here is that you see yourself as accessing Scripture apart from your own self. What do I mean by that? You say Catholics have Scripture + tradition, JWs have Scripture + this or that, same for the SDAs and the Calvinists and the...
  8. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, Not long ago you suggested that I slow down. Now I am asking the same of you. I stood back for a number of days and reflected upon the "heart" of what you and BobRyan were saying. I then responded in an outline format to the essence of your position, Bob's position, and the Scriptural...
  9. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, At this point, we've resorted to what might be called "Table pounding." You're repeating things. I'm repeating things. We're not getting anywhere. I keep repeating things because you're not addressing the points I am making. I have written about 2 Timothy 3:16-17 at least three times now...
  10. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    By the way, DHK, this definition: Scripture alone (from the Reformation slogan Sola Scriptura) is the teaching that Scripture is the Church's only infallible and sufficient rule for deciding issues of faith and practices that involve doctrines. While the Bible does not contain all knowledge, it...
  11. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK, I know exactly what Dr. Geisler's "alone" refers to. And it represents an "inference" on the part of Dr. Geisler. As David Anders said, neither Scripture, a prophet, or an Angel of God, nor God Himself revealed to us the Doctrine of Sola Scriptura. That's why Catholics, remaining true to...
  12. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    DHK and BobRyan, I know I've written a lot. What else would we expect, though, with this 500 year old disagreement? There's a lot to pore over. There is much homework to be done. And with what I posted yesterday I tried to address the big picture. Today, my responses to Dr. Geisler's article...
  13. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    X of X The article continues: Second, early New Testament believers did not need further revelation through the apostles in written form for one very simple reason: they still had the living apostles to teach them. As soon as the apostles died, however, it became imperative for the written...
  14. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    IX of X The article continues: When Catholic apologists claim there is significantly more doctrinal agreement among Catholics than Protestants, they must mean between orthodox Catholics and all Protestants (orthodox and unorthodox) — which, of course, is not a fair comparison. Response: From...
  15. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    VIII of X The article continues: Finally, Kreeft’s argument wrongly assumes that the Bible was produced by the Roman Catholic church. As we will see in the next point, this is not the case. Sola Scriptura: The Principle of Causality Is Not Violated Kreeft’s argument that sola Scriptura...
  16. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    VII of X The article continues: Indeed, to assume that oral traditions of the apostles, not written in the Bible, are necessary to interpret what is written in the Bible under inspiration is to argue that the uninspired is more clear than the inspired. But it is utterly presumptuous to assert...
  17. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    VI of X The article continues: There is not a shred of evidence that any of the revelation God gave them to express was not inscripturated by them in the only books — the inspired books of the New Testament — that they left for the church. This leads to another important point. The Bible makes...
  18. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    V of X The article continues: Because the New Testament is the only inspired (infallible) record of what the apostles taught, it follows that since the death of the apostles the only apostolic authority we have is the inspired record of their teaching in the New Testament. Response: 1)...
  19. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    IV of X The article continues: Roman Catholics admit that the New Testament is the only infallible record of apostolic teaching we have from the first century. However, they do not seem to appreciate the significance of this fact as it bears on the Protestant argument for sola Scriptura. For...
  20. herbert

    Vicar of Jesus Christ?

    III of X The article continues: Indeed, since Catholic scholars make a comparison between the Old Testament high priesthood and the Roman Catholic papacy, this would seem to be a very good analogy. Response: Although this statement strays from the central subject here, it’s worth pointing a...
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