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Moving on It seems absurd that man should be blinded by the will and command of God, and yet be forthwith punished for his blindness.Hence, recourse is had to the evasion that this is done only by the permission, and not also by the will of God....That men do nothing save at the secret...

What of the Fall? This is long I apologize but it is necessary They deny that it is ever said in distinct terms, God decreed that Adam should perish by his revolt... They say that, in accordance with free-will, he was to be the architect of his own fortune, that God had decreed nothing but to...

Let him, therefore, who would beware of such unbelief, always bear in mind, that there is no random power, or agency, or motion in the creatures, who are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed~Inst 16:3...

As I shared with @JonC , I came to inescapable conclusion that in Calvinism, God invented/designed and effected sin vide his agents (creatures). But this I can't find in scriptures not in God in Flesh,Jesus Christ. Now, it's quite possible my conclusion are flawed like Mary correctly finding...

In short,Calvin beliefs are no Calvinism. Wonderful I've read that Calvin was actually a moderate Arminian. Can't recall the author but he gave compelling evidence. Technically, Calvin was not Calvinist. By Calvinism I refer to the continuum of beliefs or is it propositions that developed...

Another simple reason is the mods may be partisan, loyal to their beliefs more than anything else. Just asking, are not all mods Calvinists?

John Calvin himself held so. Of course you differ with him on various issues and it's quite possible you do on this one. I will substantiate on this by quoting him, as well as his students.

I will start a fresh thread on Calvin and God authoring evil. All my quotes will be from Calvin. That way we can leave others to pursue the doctrines. I will also God willing start another on why [Calvin views God as drawing] kicks from damning men...that he is least interested in saving him...

Are you ok if I quoted institutes on EVERYTHING I say?

Going forward, I will be quoting sources. Don't I love the insinuation that if I read more I'd drop my stance. Yes, Calvinism always charges it's opponents of ignorance.

That's why I used the word subtle. It's obvious disagreement or misunderstanding can set from ignorance. I certainly have a long way to go in learning. One of the best things I learnt about Calvinism is that It is a continuum and not a proposition. There is room for differences within...

I started out with the doctrines. And I have sat under different teachers, read books. But I have zero theological foundation. This I suppose pretty makes me ignorant. I doubt reading Institutes backwards changes the issue I raised. So your subtle hint at ignorance won't wash. You, or others...

Agreed Irresistible/efficacious grace does exactly that. Men who freely resisted God somewhat turn to Him and can't/won't resist him. That's the whole point of regeneration preceding faith;the totally depraved soul can't or won't believe so God must transform it first. And if God by divine...

Can't vs won't I'd say is a distinction without a difference in th is case but I won't push it. Still, this Totally Depraved soul who won't heed to an external call responds to an internal one. What changes, persuasion, persistence content of the call,or the rebellious will?

I'm saying offering salvation to those who can't possibly receive it is equivalent to not offering them anything. It's a mockery of the term offer. Cassidy reckons God 'offers' gospel message to everyone but then 'extends' an 'internal call' to the Elect. Of what purpose is this 'offer'? If...

Did you read the excerpt of Cassidy's post I quoted? Here it is again God 'offers to all people the gospel message' Then to a subset of 'all' he 'extends an internal call' So the gospel message is offered to ALL yet God's agenda is to save the Elect. Is this in the first place an offer...

What's the whole point of dangling the gospel message to multitude God is not interested in saving? Is this not mockery?

He calls all, draws some? Could you briefly contrast call from drawing And can a Totally Depraved soul,in that state, be drawn to salvation ?

Profuse apologies for misunderstanding. Yes I agree salvation is supernatural. Decision does not make it otherwise for it may as well be at that very point when supernatural life is infused. Healing in some instances followed decision, yet nobody reasonably argues that it is natural because it...

What we (@JonC and myself) are examining is total depravity and freewill. According to these 'doctrines of grace', a Totally Depraved man is incapable of freely receiving the saving truth. So to save him, God first regenerates/transforms, and once transformed, he can't but receive the...