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You have declared it so many times, but have never explained it. Just saying it is so does not make it so, sorry. Paul does not say "good works". Rather "works of the law". You never explained how obeying Jesus' commandments are not "works of the law". Maybe you could start with listing Jesus'...

Well, we're all still waiting for you to explain how obeying Jesus is not practicing righteousness/law. Which Paul EXPLAINS does NOT justify a person unto eternal life, but you declare Paul wrong by declaring a child of God must practice/obey the law/righteousness or else be found unjustified...

Everyone needs to examine themselves...http://jspark3000.tumblr.com/post/28486120521/why-im-no-longer-self-identifying-as-a-reformed "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have...

You are not being consistent. Explain how obeying Jesus' commands is NOT practicing righteousness/law? Which Paul said CANNOT justify anyone unto eternal life. (And btw, OSAS is a totally separate issue. We cannot begin to address OSAS until we first nail down just how a person is justified unto...

Ok, you will have to define "ministering to God". Give examples. Life application.

Good rebuttal! Guess it's the only one you could have.

Anyways, one of the comments I can remember I wanted to address is this one from brother Joseph.. Joseph said, "I believe it (Psalm 22:9-10) applied to Christ too, but you need to recognize David was the one who wrote it and since he used the word "I" it was also applicable to him". Brother...

This is weird. Did two and a half pages disappear from this thread? I read comments earlier today and just got on to reply and a lot of post are missing. Or is it my computer?

The OP is asking if Paul possessed eternal life while he was hating Jesus Christ and Christians? If so, how do you explain his hateful heart towards Jesus and others if he possessed eternal life in his heart?

So in your pov a person can be born-again and still have a heart of hatred towards God's Christ Jesus and Christians?

You do understand I quoted him word for word. How is that lying? lol. You quoted him also and declared his statement false! Here is YOUR quote quoting Brother Joseph.... "His foundational thesis was "how then did Paul declare separate, distinct, different times in history of when he was...

That would be Brother Joseph's foundational thesis and is what I was looking to debate. I see you disagree with him, but he is a fellow Calvinist. So are Calvinsts divided on this ? And you shouldn't be condescending with him brother TC, with the "Duh" comment. Be Christlike!

Now wait a minute. Maybe I misunderstand you then. Your saying Co-operating with, obeying, etc, is NOT practicing the law/righteousness?? If it's not the same, then explain what doing a good work or good deed is in your pov. And explain what "practicing the law/righteousness" is.

Anyone care to explain how Paul possessed eternal life while in his heart and mind he hated Jesus and His followers, and would have still gone to heaven if he had died in this condition?

BrotherJoseph said: ↑ If the word "saved" always means the same thing and there is only one aspect to being saved, no phases, how then did Paul declare separate, distinct, different times in history of when he was saved? So let me get this straight. You believe Paul was saved several times? In...

This is what makes me so sure...straight from the mouth of the Holy Ghost... "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Ro3:20) "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of...

Lol. I believe we all desire to see you do the reconciling that you claim you have done! Show us how YOUR practicing the law justifies unto eternal life when Paul declares practicing the law will justify NO person unto eternal life! We all still waiting...........

So let me get this straight. You believe Paul was saved several times? In your pov, Paul himself was saved, even before his encounter with Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, even while having a heart filled with hatred for Christians, even while rounding them up to be put to death, and still...

Correct! Loving Jesus is obeying His commands, which is the fruit of a true believer, even as we fall so miserably short at many times. However the keeping of commandments has ZERO to do with justification unto eternal life, which is what you fail to understand. This is what confuses those who...

That is a long way of saying you cannot reconcile Paul's declaration that no one shall be justified unto eternal life by practicing the law. So your thread remains in failure. But I love that you brought this subject up, it is my favorite subject. It is so easy to knock down any argument against...