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Getting personal again. It's not needed bro. Which part and why? Make an argument and I'll reply. If you quote the line that is 'strawman' and then explain how it misrepresent what you really believe then you would be engaging me in a debate. You are reading an intent into my posts and once...

Are you actually saying that God, in genuine salvific love, provides EVERYTHING the NON-ELECT needs to be saved? Really? Isn't salvific love effectual? Wouldn't 'everything' include the enabling power and atonement? I think you want to have your cake and eat it too.

The 1 person. Romans 1

I continually hear Calvinists accuse us of believing mankind is better than they are, but which of these two people are worse? PERSON 1: This man was born an enemy of God, a sinner and enslaved to his sin. God, in genuine salvific love, provides EVERYTHING this persons needs to be saved...

You requested scripture? Ok 1. Love: 1 John 4:19: "We love because he first loved us." Calvinistic interpretation: If God loves someone they WILL CERTAINLY and IRRESISTIBLY love Him back, thus if God doesn't love someone they will not love Him back. Excuse for not loving God: "Because...

Just answer the question or tell us why you won't. According to your system why can't the non-elect want to come even when invited?

Answer the question. When you witness to a non-elect person and they don't want to come to Christ and they die in their rebellion, why is it they they COULD NOT DESIRE to come to Christ? Allow me to answer for you: 1. Because God didn't salvifically love them (excuse #1) 2. Because God...

I always appreciate all your informative quotes. Nothing like good the ol' facts to diffuse all the rhetoric around here. :thumbs: It seems like I remember reading something from Calvin a while back which indicated this. Did he (and others) separate the concept of regeneration and the...

"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." - Paul "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he will irresistibly have mercy on a select few." - Calvinists

This is a great question and is actually the question Paul is addressing in Romans 9-11, with one change. He didn't blind them just because they were 'born a Jew.' In fact he had held out his hands to them all day long (Rm. 10:21) and longed to gather them, but they were unwilling (Matt...

Is this what you were apologizing to Ben about? There is no need to get personal. I've not gotten personal with you. I'd say we are all a bit stubborn in our views, wouldn't you? Of all of us here I'm the only one who has changed from one side to the other while participating on this board...

Now, if you only had a verse drew that conclusion instead of ones that say things like, "...by believing you may have life in his name."

It is an excuse for unbelief. It may not be an excuse for their going to hell according to your system, but that is beside the point. The point is that an unbeliever has an excuse for his unbelief according to your system. I say they have NO EXCUSE for their unbelief. Your system gives...

Look at my discourse with Guy above where we discuss the passages dealing with man's being without excuse and maybe that will give us a starting point? No, we don't get anywhere when you refuse to answer the questions posed to you because you realize they implicate your system. Why can't lost...

Oh, and jhb, you still haven't told us why a lost person doesn't desire to come to Christ. More specifically, why can't he become willing? What is preventing him from being willing?

Guy, do you have an excuse for not answering the last post and the question posed to you?

"Narrow is the road and few are those who find it..." Relative to the number lost, a "FEW" are saved, period. No one should object to that... Right, relative to those lost, there are a few saved. Just so you know, "Relative" is another word for "compared to" I understand that you believe that...

Yeah, you have to stand on your head and read it so that instead of it saying, "by believing you may have life," it magically says, "by being made alive you believe." :smilewinkgrin:

An excuse for not answering this???

Whoa, there is a difference. I believe faith cometh by hearing. So, the gospel is the means by which faith comes, thus EVERYONE who hears the appeal of God to be reconciled to Him has been granted the ability to respond. I don't believe God has preselected a relatively few people who are...