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Thirst for God comes by the grace of God. Heb 3:15 - "While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation." The scripture declares the voice of the Spirit can be heard, yet rejected. So God can grant a person thirst, but that person can refuse to...

The question is, can a person be regenerated and at the same time NOT have the living water Jesus spoke of? This really is crystal clear, no need for jumping through hoops to get to an interpretation. Jesus clearly expresses the Spirit's living water attribute is what gives eternal life (John...

Ok, I just thought it was a 20 page limit and thought it must be something else. Since there is a topic within a topic going on simultaneously, I will start a fresh thread on the original OP.

Why is that???

Excellent! This really is that crystal clear, no need for jumping through hoops to get to an interpretation. Jesus clearly expresses the Spirit's living water attribute is what gives eternal life (John chapters 3&4) This is Christ becoming one with you by the Spirit, Christ in you, regeneration...

Then you would agree this water of life, this living water, is the work of the Spirit giving eternal life to the believer. For Jesus said, "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing...

And we still haven't seen an answer from you.........AA's answer is to pretend Jesus and John never said it......(AA) "Are we really to believe that the Holy Spirit will flow out of us when Christ says He (the Spirit) flows from Him (Christ) and the Father?" Yes my friends, that is what Jesus...

Ok, AA's answer is to pretend Jesus and John did not say the Holy Spirit is living water, therefore he does not need to give an answer as to what the living water Jesus spoke of is. Brother Icon agrees with AA's non-answer. So is there any other Calvinist on the board who would like to answer...

Do you have anything substantive to offer to the debate? Do you know what the living water is John and Jesus spoke of? Please share...

You mean and cannot mean what John says it means. John (via the Holy Spirit inspiration) makes it crystal clear what it means - Living Water. You seriously think John meant the Holy Spirit was a liquid? That is ridiculous. Let's see what John said the Holy Spirit is called in this indwelling...

One verse? Did you read my post? Not only did I give several examples, I gave crystal clear examples. You seem to believe that the Holy Spirit has only one work - regeneration. The WHOLE of scripture gives multiple works of the Holy Spirit - Creation, Inspiration, conviction, Teacher, Living...

Actually, according to Calvinism, my avatar was foreordained by God. He is the Potter, I am the clay, who are you to say why did God make Steaver oppose Calvinism? :tongue3:

Apostle John......"(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" I certainly hope you understand the many workings of the Holy Spirit. Being able to speak on behalf of God does...

Greetings Willis! Glad you decided to talk to me again. :thumbs: This passage is not a good pick for your position. The "spirit" referred to here is his own, not the Holy Spirit. All are saved by faith. God actually indwelling a believer is the New Covenant. It's remarkable that believers...

The Disciples did not have the Holy Ghost!!!!! John 14:26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 20:22 - (AFTER Jesus' glorification)...

All of this misunderstanding of these scriptures above is a direct result of your faulty premise concerning regeneration. John7:38-39 - "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that...

Man has a free will that is bound by his nature to always choose death? No, That is what is called an oxymoron. Either man has the free will to choose between two options, or man is not free to choose at all. Can't have it both ways, and Calvinism certainly isn't the biblical way.

You are not addressing the OP point. Calvinist declare God is the Potter who made the vessels of wrath, they had no choice!

Regeneration is clearly taught as a post glorification of Jesus Christ implementation by God. Until Calvinist accept the written word on this matter, they will forever be stuck in the error of Calvinism. A Holy God COULD NOT indwell a sin ridden man UNTIL the atonement was COMPLETED in real...

Can Calvinist explain?