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Scripture says God will place His Mark upon His people. The RCC claims they put the mark upon His children. The RCC Pope (Pontiff Maximus: High priest of all religions) claims to speak the very words of God, making himself (or herself depending on which Pope you believe was actually in charge...

I’ll let you look it up yourself. That way, you might believe it. You can start with the Dontanists. They didn’t believe those who denied Jesus during tribulation should be welcomed back into the church. They were declared heretics and killed. As far as “Pontiff Maximus” as the “high priest...

The “mark of God” is indwelling God Holy Spirit. Peace to you

And then, after the RCC became the official church of the Roman Empire, the RCC tortured and killed all those Christians that disagreed with the Bishop at Rome, who took the pagan title Pontiff Maximus meaning the great high priest of all religions. And torture and death was the usual practice...

Why do you think they were saved at that point? Because they followed Jesus? Thousands followed Jesus. They all turned away from Him at His crucifixion. Peter denied Him 3 times. Do you think Peter was saved when he denied Jesus with a curse? Did not Jesus say if you deny Him before men, He...

Wonderful. We agree!! Peace to you

God predestined individuals to salvation, according to the pleasure of His good will. He predestined, He called, He regenerated, He bestowed faith as a gift, He sent God Holy Spirit to indwell as the pledge promise all is true. And He will raise up up in the last day. Peace to you

The Messiah was not hidden, but spoken of plainly. Scripture testifies the OT Saints were saved by faith in God’s promise of the coming messiah. Why haven’t you addressed Hebrews 11? I understand it runs contrary to your dispensationalism, but it is very clear. Again, we are speaking past...

Rahab is mentioned in Hebrews as an OT Saint that was saved by believing the promise of the coming of God’s Messiah. Naaman is not. Rahab believed and acted, prior to God delivering her. Naaman grumbled and complained and had to be convinced to go into the water. His “profession” came after...

And again, you are assuming many things not found in scripture. I will base what I believe on what scripture says. Scripture tells us the OT Saints were saved the same way we are, by faith in God’s promised Messiah. I know it’s difficult for you to accept this very clear truth, because it runs...

No. Rahab is mentioned as an OT Saint in Hebrews. She is one who looked forward, seeing the promises of God concerning His Messiah and had faith. Our conversation is about Naaman, who you claimed had faith like Abraham that was credited to him as righteousness. That is no where in the text...

What I said was that Jesus said the words He spoke were spiritual words. That means, imo, they are symbolic. The Apostle Paul says the Lord’s Supper proclaims His death until He comes again. That is symbolic. I do understand you disagree, but please don’t misrepresent my position as “adding”...

First, the passage in 2 Kings concerning Naaman says absolutely nothing of him being “saved” as Abraham was. It never says his “faith” was counted as righteousness. It doesn’t say he was “saved” at all. The passage says Naaman was ordered to go to Israel by his king. Once in Israel, he became...

Again, Hebrews 11 is clear. We are not saved by what we do. That is a works based salvation. We are saved when we respond with faith to what God has done for us, by the power of God Holy Spirit, in regeneration, drawing and conviction us of the truth of our Lord Jesus and our own sin that...

Jesus said they were symbolic (Spiritual) words, not literal words. I’ll follow what Jesus said. Peace to you

And you are surprised because………..? Peace to you

You are simply incorrect there was no gospel before the OT Law. The coming Messiah was a prophecy in the Garden before man was cast out. The promise of the coming Messiah is prevalent throughout the OT. Hebrews 11 is very clear, the OT saints saw the promises of God from afar and they are not...

There is a heresy of “mental assent” called sandemanism (sp?) and that is being expressed here. @Van changes to words of our Lord Jesus to fit his secular philosophy. Jesus you must “born again” by God Holy Spirit. @Van says you you must believe “some aspects” of the gospel. Again, @Van...

Scripture does not reveal everything Rahab knew or believed about God. It is simply a great assumption to claim she knew nothing of the promised Messiah. Hebrews 11:13 is clear the OT saints saw the promises of God (concerning His Messiah), from afar and were persuaded.. Hebrews 11:40 tells...

Oh those shells on the beach, now that is funny!!!!’ Peace to you