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True, especially when one considers all the verses which clearly teach that the Spirit comes through faith, not the other way around.

You are confusing two issues. The verse I referred to says that God bound all men over to disobedience so as to show mercy to them all. Hardening Israel was actually an act of mercy, according to Paul in Romans 11. Read the whole chapter again and he explains that by hardening Israel in...

I have an honest question for you Aaron. Will you ever get tired of typing blatant misrepresentations of what we believe? That is not even close to what I've just described, and I'm pretty sure you know it. I guess I'll just start saying things like "you don't believe in evangelism" and "you...

Well, to answer that you need to understand there are two types of hardening. "Self hardening," where one rebells freely and simply becomes calloused to the things of God. And second, "judicial hardening," by which God seals someone in their already hardened condition by temporarily...

Maybe not his law, but according to Paul they had all they needed to acknowledge him as God through general revelation and conscience. Not having the law was not an excuse for their unbelief, in other words. God shows mercy to all men (Romans 11:32) He does this by inviting them all to a...

I can understand new comers having a bit of an issue getting use to how to respond to threads and use the quotes correctly, but some of you who have been here for years have absolutely no excuse! Click here to read some basic guidelines to help. May I encourage you to practice, use the...

I think you have misunderstood my intent. I'm not questioning WHAT they think the gospel IS, I questioning WHAT they believe the gospel DOES. See the difference? I affirm that they believe in the same gospel as we do, I just take issue with the attempt to claim that it accomplishes the same...

I agree that they make that claim, but in reality, do you deny that the power really rest in the so-called "irresistible grace" which either "accompanies" or "precedes" the Gospel call?

Would you agree that the gospel IS a work of the Holy Spirit, in that it was produced by the Holy Spirit, preserved by the Holy Spirit, carried by the Holy Spirit, and proclaimed by people indwelled by the Holy Spirit? If so, why would you presume that the powerful work of the Holy Spirit in...

Oh, I was under the impression you wanted to have a discussion, but it is now evident you just want to blog. Type on... :type:

I'm not sure I see the distinction? If God has predestined to save someone hasn't he predestined them to believe? The distinction I'm drawing is regarding Paul's intent in writing these words. Was he trying to say that God has predetermined to save a select number to the neglect of all...

I saw this question in a blog and wanted to pose it here for consideration: "It seems to me that the inevitable conclusion of Calvinism is that due to the deadness of man in sin, that the living and active, faith-producing Gospel has absolutely no [positive] impact upon the unregenerate...

Jesus said that in the context where Israel was being hardened in their rebellion and the gospel, the means by which men are drawn, had yet to be sent to the world. The mysteries of the kingdom were only given to a select few Jews, who were pre-selected to be the messengers to take the gospel...

I understand and appreciate the effort to provide a "middle ground" compromise which acknowledges and accepts both premises of this debate, however I must disagree. The bible does NOT teach that God predestines certain people to be saved. That is something you just assume based upon a gross...

Hi Archangel, good to see you again. Miss you around here! :) Scripture teaches, "Many are called, but few are chosen," thus proving that all called are not necessarily chosen. Even real Calvinists affirms the universal nature of the gospel's call. So, the question at hand is whether the...

Why? Because God has removed their ability to want Christ, right? So, how does that avoid the argument? Sure it does. If I give you a pill which makes you absolutely unwilling to hear my appeal to become friends, then you don't have the option to choose to be my friend. By giving you a pill...

Let's unpack this jbh, okay? If the elect must be ENABLED then doesn't it reason the non-elect aren't ABLE? And why aren't they ABLE? Is it because of something THEY themselves did? Or is it a result of God's choice to punish mankind for the sin of Adam in the Fall? In Calvinism...

Surprise, Surprise, a quote from the "reformed-theology.org" web site. Yeah, they aren't biased. This is exactly what I've been talking about. No wonder so many go over to Calvinism, they think the foresight faith view is the only alternative. Sad!!! :( That is like an Arminian thinking...

LOL. That really did make me laugh out loud. You may be quite aggravating sometimes, but you are one of the wittiest people on this board. :thumbsup: Moving on... I'm not sure what Caiaphas would have to do with the BIBLICAL view that God has "held out his hands" to rebellious Jews for...

JF, until you bring me some direct quotes from these so-called "classical Arminians" for us to objectively view in their context, such comments will be dismissed as being "uninformed." I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you came to this board asking a lot of questions under the admission...