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12strings, Good question. The first better represents my view, but please allow me to clarify. Paul was saved by grace through faith, just like us. The difference was that God used much more convincing means to bring him to faith and repentance than He does with most of us. That is part of...

Just one more quick point 12strings, Notice what Arminius says, "he is capable of thinking, willing and doing that which is good, but yet not without the continued aids of Divine Grace." Is the Gospel, which was inspired, produced, preserved and carried by the Holy Spirit not considered an...

I see the difference as semantical in some regard, because the message itself IS OF GOD. In other words IT IS HIS WORK, thus anything IT accomplishes is fully credited to God. Let me explain it this way. Suppose I told you something in my own words. That would be my words and my message...

Not if the author was addressing a different context than the one your presume. Look at these two contexts and see how BOTH of them would cause the question, "Why doth He yet find fault." (1) A man is born cut off, hardened, and not elect. He rebells against God as determined by his...

I can't speak for others here, but I've always affirmed the doctrine of Original Sin, but I deny the Calvinistic teaching of "Total Inability." There is a distinction. Original sin teaches we are born enemies of God, but doesn't attempt to deny that God's appeal to be reconciled is somehow...

And I don't know a single Calvinist who agrees with every point that Calvin taught either. There are Supras, Infras, four pointers and many various ways of explaining each of the differing points. MacArthur calls out Pink on several issues and vice versa, but yet they are all call...

"Apart from the gospel?" Really? How many times do I have to go over this JF? You know what? I'm tired of correcting your formatting so I can respond and I am even more tired of explaining to you the basics of what I believe over and over without you getting it. I'm done. Sorry, no...

JF, dang nab it man, learn to use the quote feature and edit it when you mess up!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Jim. Please expound. What do you mean that Noah behaved accordingly before the flood? According to what God had "permitted?" Explain?

The scripture teaches that the people of the earth had grown increasingly wicked and it angered the Lord, but that he found favor with Noah: Why did Noah find favor in the eyes of the Lord? Why did all others grieve God? Is it the view of Calvinists that God effectually caused Noah to be...

So, like I said, the "words of life" really don't bring anyone life unless they are first made alive in your system. But the power is in the regenerative work, not the gospel then. So, the question of the OP remains...

I understand that the elect still must be informed of the gospel truth, but isn't it the act of "regeneration" (irresistible/effectual calling) that actually makes the elect alive? Even if you insist the "effectual working" is accompanied by the "gospel work" it doesn't change this fact, so the...

I'm not sure how you post relates to my question?

As would I.

Great word Winman, thanks!

Well stated! :thumbsup: As Paul says, "For this people's [Israel] heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'...

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