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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Your ignoring how the New Covenant relationship works, as I showed you. OC prophets pointed to how the new Covenant works as it is described in Hebrews 8 which is quoted out of Jeremiah an OC prophet. The OC ways have been obsoleted and have passed away and we live now in the NC ways of God...
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    The Limited Atonement

    HOWEVER the blood sacrificial system was established at the very beginning, Gen 3:21, and all covenants are established with the shedding of blood. Abraham was told by God to offer sacrifices to establish His covenant with Abraham. The righteousness by Faith came before the LAW was given and...
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    The Limited Atonement

    However, they who lived under the OC relationship were not perfected, and none of them inherited the promise. They had to wait for Christ to come and establish the NC in His blood, for without that they could not have eternal life. Because of that when they died, all of them without exception...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    You can not compare the inferior Old Covenant relationship with the superior New Covenant relationship in this way by quoting how something happened in Hosea as to how the relationship exists in the New Covenant. Your comparison is obsoleted and meaningless as to how this relationship works in...
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    The Limited Atonement

    More proof a limited atonement is only for the the foreknown elect of God, who will believe in Christ is 1 Peter 1, for without the shedding of blood and it being applied to the people, there is no forgiveness of their sins. 1 Peter 1 New King James Version (NKJV) Greeting to the Elect Pilgrims...
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    The Limited Atonement

    All atonement mentioned in scripture in the OT, are for Israel and not for any other nation or people. Of course certain foreigners could join themselves to the people of the Lord. So the atonement is only for the people of God so that their sins are forgiven them. v31, When the priest made...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Your leaving out the entire context though, look at v16 and v20 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Sorry but it is not natural revelation our faith that comes by hearing God speak. For example Jesus tells Peter what about why Peter knew who Jesus was? Although I am certain you are always going to dispute this truth about our faith, basically I am not going to 'beat a dead horse' with you...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    God Has Allotted to Each a Measure of Faith Some very good examples the demonstrate our faith is the gift of God. You know what, some will believe it and some wont. Because if they admit our faith is a gift, they have to admit to a lot more truths they don't want to admit to.
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Ligonier Ministries Faith is a gift of the Lord to undeserving people, the outworking of God’s electing grace and the atonement of Jesus for His own. Ephesians 2:8 confirms the truth that faith is ultimately a gift of God. “The gift of God” in the original Greek appears in the neuter...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Genesis 1:1 (KJV) Strong's G4102 πίστις pistis FAITH here in Hebrews 12:2 means this.... conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    NO, not false because other verses tells us our faith is a gift. See you disputing and denying something confirmed already. This is grace that we are gifted our faith. It is though our faith, the faith which comes through Him. Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Consider it like this, a very committed Arminian minded person who furiously hates calvinism, full of enmity against it, suddenly embraces Calvinism with love, this would be most unnatural thing to see happen. I put it that direction as I dont see many calvinists having full on enmity with...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    The enmity of the unbeliever. They hate Christ. John 15:18[ The World’s Hatred ] “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. John 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil. The unbelieving world also hates the...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    Even the verse about faith saving us, is saying the faith is God's gift. You can see the creative power of God at work in the individual's life. A baby does not choose to be born into a family. First off, Paul says we are saved by grace, In v8 he says that the faith is a gift not of yourselves...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    It says this, 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; It does not say this 2 Every branch that abides in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; If your born of God, then your are joined to the Lord as one spirit with Him, so you have the indwelling Holy Spirit and...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    You throw this out there as proof a saved person bearing good fruit can turn into a bad tree and bear bad fruit or be fruitless? So your going directly against what Christ said, your challenging Christ on His own words. It obviously means what I said, Christ is the creator of all things and in...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    So you take that to be saved person born of God can lose their salvation? People who do not abide in Christ are unbelievers and can do nothing. Since they can do nothing, they can not know Christ and be saved either. Christ is the only way to have life, if you dont abide in the vine, you not...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    There are only 2 minds, the carnal which is naturally born, of the flesh, and its dead and the spiritual which is supernaturally born, of the Spirit and its alive. Flesh is flesh and spirit is Spirit, you must be born again. Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually...
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    Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.” ~ John 12:32

    But nobody who is born naturally has anything except enmity for Christ, whether they are those God foreknew as His people or the children of the devil. Yes regeneration comes first as you must be born again before you enter the kingdom of God. God wont put new wine into old wine skins. Example...
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