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  1. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Dear AnotherBaptist, Christ is Risen! My joy, I apologize. I think you may have misunderstood me, and it is my fault. What I meant here is that people think all Christians are *always* at war with *intentional* sin (and by war I mean sometimes intentionally sinning, sometimes not...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Hello, Christ is Risen! For some reason this thread came to mind as I was meditating on Romans 7 the other day, and I've realized I easily could have been partially wrong in my original post. Specifically, I'm referring to where I said: I could have been wrong there. Paul very easily...
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    Justification from everlasting !

    How can you say such a thing when the Scriptures plainly and clearly say, “… people are justified by works and not by faith alone.” James 2:24 Granted, we are not justified by works of the law. “… people not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.” Galatians 2:16...
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    I struggled with faith and works for a long time... and then...

    I was taught growing up that we are justified through faith, not by works. Romans 4, Galatians 2 and 3 seemed to teach that. Then there was James 2, "people are justified by works, not faith alone." I struggled for years to reconcile the two. For a while I believed what my pastor told me...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Obey the two commandments... love God and your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:34-40) It is hard. It is not impossible. For instance, see what Christ did while they killed him. He said, "Father, forgive them." He looked forward to their forgiveness as they were killing him! That is real love...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    I did indeed invite you to my house. There was no need for you to be taken aback, as I just explained in the post above. Christians need to learn these truths because it greatly effects how the world views us and our God. Many "conservative" Christians have long been known for shunning...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Friend, I offend someone in Christ when I use plastic bags at the grocery store, or when I use paper bags instead of cloth. I offend someone in Christ when I buy a Japanese car, and I offend someone else when I buy an American car. You have got a totally wrong view of how Christians are...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Don't trust your english Bible just because it says "dung." Look to the original language, or ask someone who knows it to tell you what that word meant to people back then. It was a "slang" word for dung, it wasn't the technical word. If you think it is not possible that "dung" is perhaps...
  9. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Again, what many English Bible's translate "filthy language" is actually probably referring to false doctrines, not "cuss" words. Even in any one culture all sorts of different people have different definitions of what is a "cuss" word or a "dirty" word or a "bad" word to say. We don't let the...
  10. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    What we have here, my brother, is a rule, created by you, that we can only disobey a law when Christ, in the flesh and in front of us, has given us permission. This is a rule you have made up. It is found nowhere in Scripture. What's more, Scripture seems to speak contrary to this. The...
  11. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    My dear brother saturnneptune, I don't believe it is possible for someone like Tom (whom you praise so highly and who I'm sure has truly and honestly earned your high respect) to reach a point where someone like me cannot teach him anything. If you think so, we can simply respectfully...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Paul used a slang word for "fecal excrement" in one of his letters to the church, a letter explaining theology and the Savior. It is now in our Bible. Do you know the book, chapter, and verse? I do. And I'd be happy to share it with you if you're interested in knowing more and more about...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    My dear brother, I have been nothing but respectful in all of my conversations here. Issues of faith are sensitive topics, especially for those like us, those who take these things seriously and who try to act with sincerity in everything we do and say. Therefore, we must be gentle with one...
  14. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    I see you have refused to answer not only the 1st, but indeed all 3 of the questions I posed you. I think that is obviously because if you did answer them, then your answers would show the impossibility of maintaining the position you are attempting to defend. I say this because I have posed...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Many interpret the original word for "unwholesome talk" or "filthy language" to mean "false doctrines." Others interpret to mean "slanderous language, that which harms others." The interpretation that it means "those words that some in a culture find offensive" is very recent and not very...
  16. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    You can quote Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 all day if you want. I can write out a passage here just as easily. Matthew 23:12 - "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you." Nonetheless, in Matthew 12 Jesus allowed his...
  17. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    What language of mine exactly are you saying makes my mouth "dirty." Is it because I said "hell" outside of the context of eternal torment. Do you not realize that word for hell in Jesus' day was very commonly used way outside of the context of religion and punishment? It meant "the dump"...
  18. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Grace and peace to you, my brother. First of all, Paul did not say, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." John said that (1 John 1:9). Who said it is not important though, I'm sure you will agree. The fact is, it...
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    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    I meant no offense when I said "grace and peace" to you. It is my belief that God can always give us more peace as we grow closer to Him, and that is all I wished for you. As far as breaking the ordinances of those leaders here on earth Scripture tells us to obey, I already answered that...
  20. J

    I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

    Methinks you may have an accurate opinion of yourself. But I have no idea. I don't know you, my brother. As far as what Paul meant, you have to look at the context. Anyone can quote one verse out of context to "prove" their belief. Roman Catholics have done it in the past with "You must...
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