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JonC. Thank you for your thoughtful reply and patience. I agree that one can find many instances within Scripture that contrast the Law against mercy and faith. However, faith was supposed to be essential for approaching the law. While the law provided rules and regulations, it was meant to...

Greetings and apologies for my late response. Ok, you do make a distinction between "justice" and "punishment". You also say that, "justice involves more than a penalty for a crime" (in this, we agree). Here we might have some disagreement. On the one had you say something I agree with...

JonC, forgive me for butting into a conversation with another. I would agree that the "wages" of sin is death according to the Bible. Some words that I think can be seen as synonymous are... (a) wages of sin is death (b) payment for sin is death (c) the cost of sin is death (c) natural...

Greetings JonC. I apologize for the late response. Life things interrupted my typical study routine. Just getting to all the posts you have put in this thread. In response to your witness in the above quote. This is why, for me, I am a life long learner of God and His wisdom. I often get...

Greetings JonC I understand that you (1) differentiate the view of Penal Substitution with what the exact words of the Bible state. I also understand that you (2) believe the Atonement is a foundational doctrine. What I don't know is "how" you differentiate between the two, i.e., between P.S...

Greetings to you JonC. I hope your night, because that is when my timestamp says you were on, was a good one. According to the research of Gustaf Aulen (I think late 1800s early 1900s), the theory of Christus Victor (as he defines it) was actually the more representative of the position of the...

Greetings again Dave. Thank you for your thoughtful post and your gracious attempt to understand my ramblings. :) I agree that mankind in their depravity is not free, i.e., they are slaves to sin. I further agree that mankind, after salvation and regeneration, may have two natures. Which is...

Greetings to you Ben. Grace and peace to you and yours. Just for the future, I might call myself more of a Reformed leaning Baptist. I affirm the Sovereignty of God at the same time affirming the responsibility of mankind to believe and have faith. I have been frequently called a Calvinist...

Greetings to you Brightfame52. Peace and love to you and yours. I think I have been pleasant and hospitable in most my conversation with you. I'm not clear as to why you return this hospitality with using terms like 'dumb' and 'unlearned' regarding my questions. Good. We agree. How you...

Greetings to all my brothers in Christ. Most all that have come from the Reformed trajectory, not necessarily just those that are properly called the Reformed, consistently and rightly apply the biblical teaching that God is the pre-planner of all experiences and is sovereign and in control...

Greetings Ben. I hope you had a blessed weekend. Exactly what training of mine is that, specifically? So now I'm confused. First you write in post #3, "In which verse are they called lost?" I presumed you objected to the word "lost". But now I'm not sure. So I'll ask you straight up, do...

Greetings again, Dave. I pray that your week is a blessed one. Thank you for your friendly and thoughtful post. you had written in your OP... I disagreed that God is constrained by His attributes in a post to you... and then you replied... I provided the verses you presented as prof text...

Greetings my brother in Christ, Brightfame52. Grace and hope to you. In my quote above I asked a question that I felt I needed answered to reveal your intent on what you are saying. You replied to me with what seems to me to be a vague response. You replied... This doesn't really answer the...

Greetings brother on this blessed Sunday. Either I didn't make my point clear in my post or I don't understand your point. Let me ask this... Is God responsible for mankind's sin? That is, is he blameworthy for it? If you say He is...well, I'm not sure that's properly considered Christian...

Greetings my brother in Christ. I hope you are doing well since last we spoke. I think if one is going to use the logic of Aristotle or Aquinas after him regarding first causes. It would be necessary to include Thomas Aquinas' formulation that even though God is the first cause of the...

Greetings Dave. Peace and love to you and your faimily. I agree, the more God shows me the more I see that I don't know. It seems to me that you have presented a number of topics in this one OP. I thought I might comment on a couple. This sounds like the the theological subcategory of God's...

Greetings Jesus Fan. Hope your week was a great one. I'd think about leaving I'd be uncomfortable and want to leave. I would in fact leave. I'd see where it went. Peace to you brother

Is Open Theism heresy? No. At least not in my estimation. Do they claim God can do all things doable? Do they believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? That mankind needed a Savior? Do they believe He came to die for sins, did so die and then rose from the dead on the third day? Ascended...

Greetings atpollard. Grace and hope to you and yours. I usually like most of what you write. Within this thread, it is the same. Although there are minor disagreements, I do have one more major disagreement however. I hope to gain some insight and explore this disagreement. I would first...

Greetings on this glorious Tuesday that God has made, Brightfame52. Thank you for clearing up your OP. So it is clear to all what I was trying to point out, the error in the OP was... The two errors I am pointing out in the OP are: (1) no man has the ability to come to Christ, (2) the myth...