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My apologies, Ben. if I've mistaken you for the typical close minded 'anti-Pret'.

Excellent article Tom. Excerpts: "...2. More importantly, the “see[ing] God” does not come “in” the flesh, but “from” the flesh. In other words, Job is not voicing a confidence that he will, in some future time, have a fleshly body with which he will see God. He is saying that even after his...

Lol, so? What?

Preservation, not perseverance.

ZACTLY!

ROFL!! Pot, meet kettle.

Have any examples for illustration? I would expect it's something that occurs naturally on it's own.

...the very essence of @Vanology...

Would love to have heard this sermon: Luke Chapter 24 27 And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Abraham was born of God long before Genesis 15:6. ALL of God's saints are born from above BEFORE conversion.

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So, was it an unrighteous man that Jehovah called out of Mesopotamia years earlier, appeared to several times, and announced blessings upon, BEFORE Genesis 15:6? Was it an unregenerate man that built an altar to Jehovah at Shechem years earlier, BEFORE Genesis 15:6? Was it to a dead alien...

YOU'RE the one not listening or reading. I've explained the texts before, HERE. Scroll.

YOU'RE the ignorant one here, ensconced in an erroneous dogma. Tell me, from the context, what 'works' are James specifically referring to?

Romans Catholics did not write these passages, James, the Lord's brother and an apostle, penned those words. 24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2

Nice dodge. Already read them, nothing substantial or new from you. I challenge you (once again) to produce one, just one, itsy bitsy teeney weeney Bible passage that says Justification is by faith alone. 24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2