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To the mods/admins: If you want to make my IP address and location public, I don't care.

Frankly, I came here because I needed help., and fellowship. I appreciate that I have gotten some of both.

Thank you for addressing the original topic. Your post was very good, with valid points. I appreciate your reply.

All right. I can accept that. I am not Mur, and I'm telling the truth about that. Don't know what else I can do or say.

I don't know why this bothers me so much, as all of you are anonymous strangers on a forum. But truth matters very much to me, regardless of the circumstances.

Yes, indeed, hopefully we shall see. And I expect a very public apology.

Thank you! I have been!

I make a plea here to anyone who can help me: Can someone tell me how to prove that Mur and I are not the same person?

Keep it up. You'll have a lot to answer for if there's any way I can prove that I am not Mur.

I am not Mur. God knows I am telling the truth, and I believe JonC does, too. I don't know how to prove it. But if it ever does get proven, I'll be expecting an apology from some here. Oh, and I have no clue about how to use a different IP address. I'm not that computer proficient.

I thought Mur's posts were current, but maybe that was a wrong assumption on my part. I didn't look at the dates they were posted. Anyway, it's irrelevant because I am not Mur. Some also accused me and JonC of being the same person, until he proved that to be a lie. I don't know how to prove...

You're the liar. I read his posts the day I joined

I don't see paganism in the EOC, but I do in the RCC, and some of Protestantism. Where do you see paganism in the EOC?

The ECF would not recognize what the Western church has done to God over the centuries. It has turned him into a pagan god who punished and killed his son in a pagan sacrifice to appease his wrath.

Yes. :)

Reading all these posts on PSA and Western views of God has me wondering if I should go over to the church that some of my ancestors belonged to in Eastern Europe -- the EOC. But I can't accept infant baptism, nor especially their doctrine of apostolic succession, which is a clear fable.

How can I prove it? I have asked several moderators/admins to help me to prove it. I don't know how to do that. Actually, I shouldn't have to. Some of you should have to prove to me that you're not total jerks. But I don't believe you can -- I've pretty well made up mind about you, too. But you...

I just want to re-emphasize this post of JonC. It is concise and entirely accurate. Western Christians are just ignorant -- not stupid, but ignorant. They try to squeeze an Eastern religion into a Western paradigm, and it doesn't work. The concept of PSA would have been, and is today...

I was surprised to find Catholics here. I was encouraged by some of their posts in the very brief time I've been here. Their accusation saddens me.

I'd like to know members' heritage, for any who don't mind discussing it. I think it's a fascinating topic. My grandparents were emigrants to the USA from the tiny country of Andorra, and their parents emigrated there from Eastern Europe. So, my ancestors were both Eastern Orthodox and Roman...