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In general, I hate evil, not people. I believe there are evil people who act accordingly. I believe there are good people who sometimes do evil things. I believe there are Christians who err, stumble, fall, and sometimes do evil things. I must admit that I come close to hating people who have...

From reading this thread, I believe my view is close to Mur's, although not exactly the same. Apart from that, I'd say annihilationism is closer to scripture and less horrible than the doctrine of eternal punishment. Oh, and I'm not liberal.

And I'm inclined to believe you're a Pharisee, so good riddance.

Jesus said His followers would do greater things than He did. Why don't we see healings and miracles inside and outside our churches like the first century Christians did? Shouldn't we be seeing this occur?

I don't care what you believe. You're dishonest, so I have no desire to talk with you.

Thanks. I hope as you do -- that you all will bless me, and I will bless you. Fellowship is important to me, especially lately. The Covid years were difficult, and I have some health issues now. I appreciate the welcome!

To clarify: My purpose is not to bash Calvinists. I previously stated that two of my friends are Calvinists, and they are two of the finest people I know. I do have a problem with certain points of Calvinist theology.

Yes, that was my point -- the 'Munsterites' were an aberration; they had nothing in common with the Anabaptist movement except believers' baptism. Their church-statist opponents tried to link them with Anabaptists in order to smear Anabaptists and further justify killing them. Anabaptists were...

I have made no factual error regarding the Anabaptists. I am not embarrassed about facts, but you clearly are. I don't have a goal regarding Luther and Calvin or their supporters. I asked a question and stated an opinion.

The difference between Paul, and Luther and Calvin, is that Paul stopped murdering after his conversion.

Want more Christian history, evidence of Protestant/Calvinist state-church crimes? In the mid 1600's, four Quakers were hanged on Boston Common by the Puritan theocracy. Religious liberty was gained for all of Christendom by Anabaptist, Quaker, and Baptist martyrs. I'll add that it strikes me...

I don't know if Luther and Calvin, and others like them, were saved or not. I asked for opinions on that. I'm not the judge or jury. Their fate was/is in God's hands. I still wonder about this: Can an unrepentant murderer be saved? Maybe they repented of that before they died, but I've found no...

Sir, I know church history, having studied it intensively and extensively for 50 years. Anything I state about it is fact. Facts are stubborn things; they can't be changed. Someone with deficient knowledge, such as yourself, might challenge them, but facts remain.

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FYI, I have a couple of friends who are Calvinists. :)

I hate murder.

You're quick to judgement, aren't you? You mischaracterize me. I am stating history on one hand, and my disapproval of religious murderers on the other. I hope and trust you would not approve of those who kill others for their religious beliefs.

Clearly, you do not know me. I am aware of that, and it was an aberration, totally uncharacteristic of the Anabaptist movement. Whereas with the RCC and Protestant Magisterial Reformers, killing others for their religious beliefs was policy.

The only ones who did not kill or persecute others for their religious beliefs were Anabaptists, Baptists, and Quakers. The RCC, Anglicans, Calvinists, Lutherans, and Zwinglians all killed others for their religious beliefs.

Luther supported killing dissenters. So, what you're suggesting is that Calvin was a 'less brutal' murderer. Calvin was despicable.