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Oh, I have lots more than my own private interpretation. But having discussed this in depth and at length on other forums over the years, and to the point of the opposition getting nasty, I am just weary of it actually. So I'm just posting the facts, and people can take it or leave it.

Yes, you said about the EOC what I was trying to say. I also prefer the early Anabaptist and Quaker view of the atonement.

Thank you. I have not discussed this in depth with my pastor, but I have not had the opportunity to do so. And I would be the opposite of you, in that I have not found people who hold to PSA who are not problematic in other areas. Or maybe I shouldn't say "problematic", but rather holding wrong...

If I was going to choose a church to belong to based solely on atonement doctrine, it would be the Eastern Church. They have held the earliest and scriptural doctrine of the atonement unchanged for 2000 years.

I'm not affiliated with anybody, except the small rural Baptist church I grew up in. After I got grown, and moved around quite a lot, I was a part of several different denominational and non-denominational churches. But I moved back home, and back to the little Baptist church of my childhood. My...

To be fair to the RCC, I need to add that Anselm's theory of the atonement was not and is not their prevailing or primary view. Rather, it is the Thomistic view that Jesus gained a superabundance of merit or favor, and this merit is administered through the sacraments. I don't agree with this...

Again, you are misunderstanding the entirety of these verses. The word 'but' contrasts and corrects the previously mistaken view. Further, I might say for example, crushing my enemy would please me, but that doesn't mean that I would personally do the crushing. I have recently questioned...

Maybe all three of us are the same person. :)

I guess most anything can happen on a forum.

One of the favorite supposed proof-texts of PSA actually refutes the heinous theory. Isaiah 53:4-5 does not teach PSA. Consider this "...we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions...", etc. The word "but" expresses a contrast with what came...

Are you suggesting that JonC and I are the same person?! What a joke.

I reject PSA for two reasons: (1) It is a diabolical theory which makes its god a monster. (2) Like dispensationalism, it is a 'johnny-come-lately' invention. The Magisterial Reformers came up with it -- you know, the same ones who advocated religious freedom for themselves while denying the...

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

John, thanks very much for telling about all those experiences. I think an experience beats an argument most of the time. I believe God still heals, and still does miracles. I wish I could see more of that. But I am very thankful for what God has done for me, which is a lot.

I'm happy that you have that assurance. Thanks for your post.

I believe I am totally surrendered to God. How do you know that still, small voice is the Holy Spirit and not just your conscience?

Oh, yes, I like a lot of Anabaptist theology. Although I don't adhere to pacifism the way they teach it.

I need something tangible. I know the Holy Spirit is said to indwell believers, but I have no indication that He is in me.

Any Free-will Baptists here?

Forgive the following 'rant': The scripture suggests that Jesus experienced all the trials that come on us as humans, but He never experienced old age. As I have entered my seventh decade of life, I find it incredibly lonely. I have had serious health issues in my younger years, but I am facing...