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And the “works” Charlie has been confused about is not human works.

Yes we did, thanks mate.

So they would be Christs works, but credited to you, not useless human works?

Great and I am praying for you, I know you have been suffering from what you have shared. To get definitions right, do you think that a Christian prompted by Grace to do good works of Love, are those his own human works or are they Christs works.?

Thanks for the heads up. I’d like to finish the thread clean so that we can understand the difference between human works and Christs works by Grace through us. As in my last question to Charlie.

So if a Christian is prompted by Grace to feed the hungry and help the poor, is that his works or Christs works? See I don’t think you understand the difference, you have lumped Christs works of Love by Grace in with human works without grace.

Your understanding of Faith isn’t right. It’s not just intellectual assent. And you don’t know the difference between works of the Law and works of Love by Grace and Faith in the Kingdom. Those are Christs works, by His body the Church not human works. Works of the Law won’t save people. That...

Love won’t be rejected, no.

Human works, yeah sure. But not Faith working through Love by Grace, they aren’t human works but Christs works. You are confusing human works and works of Love by Grace. Human works are useless sure. There is no human kung fu powerful enough for salvation. Only by Grace Faith in Jesus Christ...

People found a note on a Protestant guy who jumped from a tower saying not to worry, he was assured that he was saved by faith. Tragic. He sinned against Hope, despaired of his life. Three things remain Faith, Hope and Love, the greatest of these is Love. Love is Eternal and greater than...

You must have Faith and Love together not Faith alone, that is false. Faith is necessary, but it must be working through Love, which means Faith can not be alone. Only dead Faith is alone. Do understand what James and Paul are saying?

Well, try getting to heaven without showing Love, just by faith alone, it will amount nothing no matter how big the faith. That’s the dead faith Paul and James are talking about. The faith of mere intellectual assent. “ What you didn’t do for the least of these, you didn’t do for me “ On...

Try it when you are suffocating on the Cross. That’s what crucifixion does, slow suffocation and you have to push yourself up on nailed feet to breathe let alone speak. Believe me the thief’s witnessing to Jesus innocence was a great work of Love.

“ Faith working through Love “ as Paul states. When you try to separate Faith and works, you are trying to separate Faith from Love. Can’t do that. I know exactly the Protestant beliefs and it is wrong.

Paul is telling you flat out that Faith without Love amounts to nothing. Love isn’t just a feeling, it’s doing. This is why charity died in Germany after Luther’s Faith alone teaching. No one gave to the poor, took care of hungry or any charity. They believed that Faith alone was sufficient...

You are separating Faith and works. It’s Faith acting through Love, the doing is part of faith by Grace. You show Faith by Love, they can’t be separated if it’s a saving Faith. Faith without Love is dead. No salvation without Love because God is Love and there is no Heaven without God. God is...

Exactly. Grace prompts us to compassion. Faith, Hope, Love all by Grace. “ And moved with compassion Jesus reached out His hand “ We are moved to compassion by Grace. But Grace prompts us, it doesn’t force us or turn us into automatons. You drive down a road and see someone in dire need as...

It’s not automatic. This is why Paul talks about having Faith that can move mountains, but by not having Love you are nothing. Faith is never alone, there is a trinity. Faith, Hope and Love, and greatest of these is Love, because God is Love. These are the three things that remain, and are...

It’s our definitions of “ Faith “ that are at issue. Catholics don’t believe that saving Faith is just intellectual assent. Like “ Yeah, I believe in Jesus and He died for my sins “ but then not love your neighbour and feed the hungry or do any of those things. That’s dead faith. Faith that...

Put it this way, it’s the best way I know to put it. Are you being faithful if you don’t love your neighbour and feed hungry, and clothe the naked etc.? No obviously. Doing these things then are part of your faith not something separate, but faith acted out through love. So Faith alone, but...