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[Charlie24]

I agree all of that is needed and will be supplied by faith.

But all of that comes AFTER we are saved by grace through faith alone.

I have shown you before in one of our conversations how our salvation is either works or faith it can't be both.

Do you remember the Scripture where works cancels out Grace, and Grace cancels out works for our salvation?

You must come to the realization that we are saved by grace through faith alone, Cathode.

Paul is speaking here of our initial salvation by grace and no works.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

 

[Charlie24]

You must come to the realization that we are saved by grace through faith alone, Cathode.

Paul is speaking here of our initial salvation by grace and no works.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Pau is saying here that the election of grace to salvation is only by the grace of God without works.

The works come after salvation to bring forth fruits for the Master.

 

[Cathode]

I agree all of that is needed and will be supplied by faith.

But all of that comes AFTER we are saved by grace through faith alone.

I have shown you before in one of our conversations how our salvation is either works or faith it can't be both.

Do you remember the Scripture where works cancels out Grace, and Grace cancels out works for our salvation?

Human works, yeah sure. But not Faith working through Love by Grace, they aren’t human works but Christs works.

You are confusing human works and works of Love by Grace.

Human works are useless sure.

There is no human kung fu powerful enough for salvation.

Only by Grace Faith in Jesus Christ Love and Hope which also by Grace.

 

[Charlie24]

Pau is saying here that the election of grace to salvation is only by the grace of God without works.

The works come after salvation to bring forth fruits for the Master.

It can't be any clearer than this from Paul.

Eph. 2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Salvation is a gift from God through faith in Jesus Christ.

It's grace that we are not worthy of but He gives it to whoever will believe.

It's not of any works that we can do that we could boast'brag about what we have done.

 

[Charlie24]

Human works, yeah sure. But not Faith working through Love by Grace, they aren’t human works but Christs works.

You are confusing human works and works of Love by Grace.

Human works are useless sure.

There is no human kung fu powerful enough for salvation.

Only by Grace Faith in Jesus Christ Love and Hope which also by Grace.

Well you can keep up with the works added to faith for your salvation, but it will be rejected.

It's written plainly for everyone to see, and there can be no excuses.

 

[Cathode]

Well you can keep up with the works added to faith for your salvation, but it will be rejected.

It's written plainly for everyone to see, and there can be no excuses.

Love won’t be rejected, no.

 

[Charlie24]

Love won’t be rejected, no.

I've got to get a few hours sleep.

What it boils down to is a decision that every person makes whether they realize it or not.

Our faith is based on the mercy and grace of God alone through faith, or based on God needing our good works to help us get over the finish line.

There is no in between it's all Grace or all Works.

 

[Cathode]

I've got to get a few hours sleep.

What it boils down to is a decision that every person makes whether they realize it or not.

Our faith is based on the mercy and grace of God alone through faith, or based on God needing our good works to help us get over the finish line.

There is no in between it's all Grace or all Works.

Your understanding of Faith isn’t right. It’s not just intellectual assent.

And you don’t know the difference between works of the Law and works of Love by Grace and Faith in the Kingdom. Those are Christs works, by His body the Church not human works.

Works of the Law won’t save people. That is human effort without grace.

This is why the so called “ reformers “ have so much to answer for, the confusion they have caused for souls.

You have to get back to true Bible teachings, not the muddled traditions of men who rejected the apostles understanding of scripture handed down.
And read only their erroneous doctrines in scripture.

 

[Charlie24]

Your understanding of Faith isn’t right. It’s not just intellectual assent.

And you don’t know the difference between works of the Law and works of Love by Grace and Faith in the Kingdom. Those are Christs works, by His body the Church not human works.

Works of the Law won’t save people. That is human effort without grace.

This is why the so called “ reformers “ have so much to answer for, the confusion they have caused for souls.

You have to get back to true Bible teachings, not the muddled traditions of men who rejected the apostles understanding of scripture handed down.
And read only their erroneous doctrines in scripture.

I'm not far from the end of my journey and I'll finish it depending only on His mercy and Grace.

 

[Cathode]

I've got to get a few hours sleep.

What it boils down to is a decision that every person makes whether they realize it or not.

Our faith is based on the mercy and grace of God alone through faith, or based on God needing our good works to help us get over the finish line.

There is no in between it's all Grace or all Works.

So if a Christian is prompted by Grace to feed the hungry and help the poor, is that his works or Christs works?

See I don’t think you understand the difference, you have lumped Christs works of Love by Grace in with human works without grace.

 

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[Cathode]

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Thanks for the heads up.

I’d like to finish the thread clean so that we can understand the difference between human works and Christs works by Grace through us.
As in my last question to Charlie.

 

[Cathode]

I'm not far from the end of my journey and I'll finish it depending only on His mercy and Grace.

Great and I am praying for you, I know you have been suffering from what you have shared.

To get definitions right, do you think that a Christian prompted by Grace to do good works of Love, are those his own human works or are they Christs works.?

 

[Charlie24]

Great and I am praying for you, I know you have been suffering from what you have shared.

To get definitions right, do you think that a Christian prompted by Grace to do good works of Love, are those his own human works or are they Christs works.?

I take no credit for what God has prepared for me to bear fruit.

But He gives me credit anyway, credit I don't deserve.

Everything is done by the Lord for us, we just have to be walking in the Spirit to be aware of the opportunities.

 

[Cathode]

I take no credit for what God has prepared for me to bear fruit.

But He gives me credit anyway, credit I don't deserve.

Everything is done by the Lord for us, we just have to be walking in the Spirit to be aware of the opportunities.

So they would be Christs works, but credited to you, not useless human works?

 

[Charlie24]

So they would be Christs works, but credited to you, not useless human works?

I can't do anything pleasing to God, only being in Christ will God give the Holy Spirit that brings about the opportunity for good works.

We don't search out fruit for good works, they are laid daily in our paths.

 

[Charlie24]

Thanks for the heads up.

I’d like to finish the thread clean so that we can understand the difference between human works and Christs works by Grace through us.
As in my last question to Charlie.

Did we clear it up?

 

[Cathode]

Did we clear it up?

Yes we did, thanks mate.