Go out in Jesus Name

[Charlie24]

I agree all of that is needed and will be supplied by faith.

But all of that comes AFTER we are saved by grace through faith alone.

I have shown you before in one of our conversations how our salvation is either works or faith it can't be both.

Do you remember the Scripture where works cancels out Grace, and Grace cancels out works for our salvation?

You must come to the realization that we are saved by grace through faith alone, Cathode.

Paul is speaking here of our initial salvation by grace and no works.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

 

[Charlie24]

You must come to the realization that we are saved by grace through faith alone, Cathode.

Paul is speaking here of our initial salvation by grace and no works.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Pau is saying here that the election of grace to salvation is only by the grace of God without works.

The works come after salvation to bring forth fruits for the Master.

 

[Cathode]

I agree all of that is needed and will be supplied by faith.

But all of that comes AFTER we are saved by grace through faith alone.

I have shown you before in one of our conversations how our salvation is either works or faith it can't be both.

Do you remember the Scripture where works cancels out Grace, and Grace cancels out works for our salvation?

Human works, yeah sure. But not Faith working through Love by Grace, they aren’t human works but Christs works.

You are confusing human works and works of Love by Grace.

Human works are useless sure.

There is no human kung fu powerful enough for salvation.

Only by Grace Faith in Jesus Christ Love and Hope which also by Grace.

 

[Charlie24]

Pau is saying here that the election of grace to salvation is only by the grace of God without works.

The works come after salvation to bring forth fruits for the Master.

It can't be any clearer than this from Paul.

Eph. 2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Salvation is a gift from God through faith in Jesus Christ.

It's grace that we are not worthy of but He gives it to whoever will believe.

It's not of any works that we can do that we could boast'brag about what we have done.

 

[Charlie24]

Human works, yeah sure. But not Faith working through Love by Grace, they aren’t human works but Christs works.

You are confusing human works and works of Love by Grace.

Human works are useless sure.

There is no human kung fu powerful enough for salvation.

Only by Grace Faith in Jesus Christ Love and Hope which also by Grace.

Well you can keep up with the works added to faith for your salvation, but it will be rejected.

It's written plainly for everyone to see, and there can be no excuses.

 

[Cathode]

Well you can keep up with the works added to faith for your salvation, but it will be rejected.

It's written plainly for everyone to see, and there can be no excuses.

Love won’t be rejected, no.

 

[Charlie24]

Love won’t be rejected, no.

I've got to get a few hours sleep.

What it boils down to is a decision that every person makes whether they realize it or not.

Our faith is based on the mercy and grace of God alone through faith, or based on God needing our good works to help us get over the finish line.

There is no in between it's all Grace or all Works.