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  1. Aaron

    Who Would Christ "Have Been" If Man Did Not Fall?

    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. True. A priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. An uncorrupted mankind needs no priest, only a sinner does. For whom would He offer gifts and sacrifices?
  2. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    LOL. All? No one is "dodging" anything. To address every triviality you bring up that you think supports your views would be tantamount to writing a commentary on the whole Bible. And with that annoying BB practice of closing threads long before they've run their course, I like to hit at the...
  3. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    LOL. What do you mean "skip"? You presume the former. The Scriptures say the latter.
  4. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    God decreed that His Son would be a priest and be highly exalted. The world was created for just that purpose. The world was created for the Cross. God begins with His Son. God begins with you. Agreed. ...some of your arguments? Because I try to be brief and focus on the key points...the...
  5. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    No, but your notions of God do. Leaving the door open, knowing that an evil spirit with malicious intent would enter to tempt man, knowing that man was no match for him—especially man in his innocence—makes God just as responsible for the Fall as you think His designing it does. There's no...
  6. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Arguments from foreknowledge are no shield from culpability. In the law, one building a house was commanded to put a rail around the roof to prevent falls and the owner coming under the guilt of blood, Deuteronomy 22:8. God built Adam's house, but where was the 'rail'? God knew that a tempter...
  7. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Yes, earned Him His throne. As @atpollard informed you: When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross. Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus...
  8. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    But you are debating hypotheticals. You think there were two possible outcomes for Adam based on your notions of God's character. One is actual, one is hypothetical. So if you can't imagine whom the Son would be if there were no Fall, which was a possibility in your mind, you must have some...
  9. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    No, our disagreement is about the Person of Christ. Whom would Christ be if there were no Fall, since it was His work of Redemption that earned Him His title and throne, and His bride and his children? Was it God's will that Adam and Eve live forever naked in a Garden Paradise? Or was it that...
  10. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Yeah, just like you're doing right now. Maybe don't focus on my one statement about Adam, and focus on what I'm saying about Christ. All the assumptions at the root of your consternation have been hashed out countless times in this forum. Your position can be summed up thusly: Why doth He yet...
  11. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Pretend that God has no foreknowledge. Don't get all holy and virtuous on me. You can pretend that for argument's sake. The Son must be a Redeemer, because He is the Son, not because of some feeling that something bad might happen. Now, something must be arranged so that the Son can...
  12. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Is it any better to let a lying spirit in to TEST your own INNOCENT children, knowing they would be corrupted? There's no difference. Focus on what the Scriptures say. You quoted them yourself. The world was made for Christ. For the Redeemer. Not merely the Son. I think you're shocked because...
  13. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    If His Priesthood and Sonship are one and the same, and He has always been the unique, or only begotten (which has nothing to do with His incarnation) Son,... And if it is required of a priest to make sacrifices on the behalf... Then it is required that our Priest have a body to sacrifice...
  14. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Eternally, the Son was destined to become High Priest and to offer His body for sins.
  15. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    It was always God's plan to exalt the Son, and to give Him all power and authority with a Name above all names. And no one can become a high priest simply because he wants such an honor. He must be called by God for this work, just as Aaron was. That is why Christ did not honor himself by...
  16. Aaron

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    I haven't read the rest of the thread, so apologies if this was already touched on. Yes, it was always the plan. God did not have one plan for an unfallen humanity, and a secondary plan for fallen humanity. The Cross was always the plan. The creation of the Seventh Day foreshadowed the Rest...
  17. Aaron

    Human vs. Divine Side of Jesus

    We've called it Anno Domini for two millennia. What does "messianic" mean to you?
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