Who Would Christ "Have Been" If Man Did Not Fall?

[Ben1445]

Another point (not mentioned yet) is God would not be God without man falling short of His glory.

Is that what you meant to say?

It sounds like God is only God because man sinned.

Although created in God's image man was still created flesh. Flesh and blood simply will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Flesh is sinful at present and there is no rewind button.

I don’t see any reason that perfect people could not.
But this is 100% hypothetical question. Flesh and blood not inheriting is a post fall statement.

There are many hypothetical questions we could ask.


Would man have fallen had God chosen not to take him from where he was created and place him in the Garden (where God would dwell with him).

Would man be complete without needing a spiritual birth?

He did not die until after sin. I would say that he would not need a spiritual birth without dying.
And there is no indication that while man was made lower than angels, he could not have been made to take on different responsibilities at some point. God could accomplish a similar end without the fall of men.

Was the Fall one step in God's creation process, like a seed that must fall to the ground (so that Christ would be the Firstborn among many brethern)?

These questions lean toward determinism. Unless you have changed your view on that,…
But God can create whatever He wants without starting from seed.

Just my thoughts.

 

[JonC]

Is that what you meant to say?

It sounds like God is only God because man sinned.

Yes. God would not be the God described in the Bible, anyway.

It is not that God is only God because man sinned but that because God is God man falls short of His glory.

Adam (man) was created in the image of God, but not possessing the glory of God. Man falls short.

 

[percho]

I believe the, "fall," of man was necessary for the destruction of the devil, the sinner from the beginning, and the works of the devil? I believe the devil was the sinner before Adam was created.

Man is redeemed out of death.

Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through [the] death he might destroy him having the power of [the] death -- that is, the devil --

[the] is in the Greek. When did the devil acquire the power of the death. Did he have it is Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That was the reason I asked in the thread that was closed; I wonder what Adam understood, dying thou dost die, to mean.


It appears to me to give life to something that has succumbed to the power of the devil is how God destroys both the devil and his works.

The last enemy that shall be (is being) [destroyed, abolished, eliminated, done away, annulled], the death 1 Cor 15:26


Adam was going to bring the death into the kosmos, world, Christ was going to bring life out of the dead into the kingdom of God to defeat the devil.

 

[percho]

Understanding Romans 16:20

The God of peace shall be crushing the Satan under the feet of you in unto quickness; the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen!

lo, I tell you a secret; we indeed shall not all sleep, and we all shall be changed; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trumpet, for it shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we -- we shall be changed:

Unto quickness.

 

[Aaron]

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

True. A priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. An uncorrupted mankind needs no priest, only a sinner does. For whom would He offer gifts and sacrifices?