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Please provide a dictionary definition that includes to allow in the meaning of ordain. That is your claim, but it is simply redefining the word. John 3:18 says we were predestined as condemned. This is a consequence of the Fall of Adam. We were made sinners. Romans 5:19 The KJV translates...

Off topic gibberish to obfuscate.

I provided the scripture supporting being transferred, called, given, sanctified and believes INTO Christ!

I do not believe you are so stupid you do not know you provided no basis for the Father transferring the person into Christ. Here is the question: I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the...

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 WPNT 13 Now we are obligated to always give thanks to God about you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you into salvation, through sanctification of spirit and belief in truth, 14 to which He called you through our gospel, so as to obtain...

If God credits your faith as righteousness and on that basis transfers you spiritually into Christ, then you have "believed into Him." Claiming you cannot make sense of this view is nonsensical. :)

Now, having once again shown the OT diversion only obscures the thread topic, lets return to the actual topic, the meaning of Hebrews 10:14, that Christ, by the sacrifice of His life, has made perfect, thus able to be in union with God, those who have been set apart (sanctified) in Christ. What...

From the internet: In Romans 9:24 the apostle Paul writes of how God has called individuals unto salvation “not from among the Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.” Then, in Romans 9:25-26, he continues by quoting from the OT: “As He says also in Hosea, ‘I will call those who were not My...

I disagree with the OP because "ordains" does not mean to allow. That claim is simply a redefinition of a word to bring reality back into the false beliefs of the dark ages. Ordain means to establish or predestine something. The actual biblical doctrine of God's sovereignty, adopted in the...

Once again we have a false teacher being allowed to make an absolutely false claim, that it does not matter what a person believes. Did he support this with a quote? Nope. Ever wonder why all these folks only offer misrepresentations and never truth? What does Matthew 23:13 say? That people...

My friend, I have addressed your off topic references to Hosea. Shall we go over them again. In Post 27, you reference Hosea 1:9-10. I responded that the reference was non-germane in post #28. In Post 27, you referenced the Hosea verses cited by Paul in Romans 9:25:26. I responded by saying...

Once again you claim to be a mind reader, but ignore my post. Here, again is what I asked: I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the individual into Christ, or whether you believe if a...

The statement does not imply salvation as being "Initiated" by the lost sinner. How do you think a person believes the gospel without first hearing and heeding the gospel. Does anyone come to faith in Christ without first being "drawn" (attracted by lovingkindness) by the Father? No, of...

Good grief! The issue is what was the intended meaning, to believe things about Christ, or to believe such that God transfers the individual into Christ? To believe in someone, is the action of the believer, but to believe into someone refers to action by the believer AND God! Lets consider...

More false claims! 1) Is it irrelevant to Van which version you use? This claim has no support, as I have posted which versions I think best provide insight into the actual gospel. NASB ring a bell? 2) I make a big deal of correctly translating the OT text and NT text into English. 3) I...

Yet another dodge, another claim the OP does not mean what it says. People can believe wrong things about the gospel, such as Calvinists, yet still God will accept them and save them because He knows their heart. The opposite of the OP claim.

Those who ask questions but do not intend to answer them are unmasked as lacking integrity. Would it not be easier for everybody just to name the translation you mean?

Once again a poster refuses to actually address the topic, but seeks to hide within a flurry of false claims.

More false claims from someone who knows the truth. 1) Deflection by asking an irrelevant question, did you forget.... 2) Did I ever claim eis has to be translated as into? No, of course not. Such a obvious falsehood. What did I claim? See post #4. I claimed I was citing a version of...

Sounds like you are pathetically trying to change the subject from you obscene thread.