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Thank you for explaining the dispensational view. If you start another thread explaining the 7 timelines, I will respectfully consider what you write Peace to you

We all get what Jesus promised. I will not envy those that were martyred, during the great tribulation or during others, and rule with Christ, nor will I mock their sacrifice, even if it is just being facetious. Peace to you

To answer the question directly, the opening of the 7th seal shows a timeline, if you will, in the progression of the trial. Each seal must be opened in order. After the 6th seal is opened, there is pause, sometimes referred to as an interlude. Here is the mention of the 144,000 of Israel and...

I really don’t know if others view it through the lens of covenant theology or dispensationalism. I’m not sure how that would impact the facts laid out, other than the issue of writing on repeating themes, not chronological order. I am only interested in the context. John is describing a bema...

That is mostly accurate, but it is not the result of imposing a theological view on the text. It is simply seeing the context as revealed to John. Peace to you

When the 7th seal of the scroll is opened, the entire scroll can now be read, not just the summaries. The martyrs have already been mentioned twice. They will be mentioned again. The language is similar in cho 20-21. No more tears, no more pain. It is said a new Jerusalem will come down...

Well then, no need to discuss it, since you know. Peace to you

May God protect them in their deployment Peace to you

No. You are incorrect. Being reformed or dispensational has nothing to do with the scholarship. The bema seat judgement isn’t theological. It is cultural. To deny it because it may conflict with your views is bad hermeneutics and could lead to bad interpretations. Does dispensationalism...

The description of the events in Revelation is of a Bema seat judgement, common in Roman culture. The elements match that of a Bema. The announcement of the scroll containing the case. The seals upon the scroll. Finding the one person worthy to break the seals. I suppose it was so obvious...

I take issue with your assessment. This isn’t a “Reformed” view. This is scholar’s view. Scholarship requires setting aside personal views and acknowledge what is discovered in research. There can be no doubt the scene in heaven as described by John is that of a Bema seat judgement, common...

Sure, explain it to me. However, the view Dr. Tomlinson expressed not only focused on scripture, but also in 1st century Roman culture… the Bema seat judgement. It seems clear God intended to use that common event to reveal these truths to us, because John was writing with that in mind given...

Before the 7th seal is opened, there is what some call an “interlude” before the throne. The 144,000 from the tribes of Israel are mentioned, as well as mentioning the martyred saints again (repeating theme). Notice the language around the martyred saints and compare to the end of Revelation...

Remember the scene. John is before the Bema seat as a spectator. As the seals are opened, the contents are explained to him. These are things that have already occurred and are being presented at trial. Notice the brief summary. Seal #1: white horse: The rider is a conqueror going out to...

I’d like to discuss the way John uses repeating themes in Revelation. The following was taught by Dr. Alan Tomlinson, PhD, at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary while I was studying there more than 25 years ago. I know he intended to publish his research but I’m unsure if he was able...

Lucky Tribulation martyrs? I know (hope) you mean that as a joke. According to scripture, they are in heaven beseeching God “how long” before His judgement comes upon those persecuting Christians during the great tribulation. Peace to you

Agreed. With that, I’ll bow out Peace to you

So, the Christians killed after the rapture, during the tribulation, are not part of the bride of Christ? Revelation 7. A great number of Christians, too large to count, have been killed during the “great tribulation” and are clothed in white robes worshipping God. I believe the post trib...